vicious dog

UKTigerlily

lilibeth wrote: »

I didn't jump on anyone stating facts.
The only thing I 'jumped on' was the nonsense you posted about most owners being liars to make themselves look hard.
And it is not screaming hysteria for someone to have an absolutely enormous issue with a violent poorly trained large dog that in addition IS from a breed noted for it's aggression and propensity to attack and kill without warning.
And it is attitudes like yours that prove to me logic and reason do not work when it comes to trusting owners will behave responsibly.
That you can't see the absolutely enormous risk here is frightening bearing in mind that you are a dog owner.


Anyone that wants to own any of the more dangerous breeds should have to

1.Have no criminal record whatsoever this includes cautions. So shoplifters etc can't own a big dog? That doesn't mean they'll be bad dog owners. I agree that they should have no previous convictions for relevant offences such as animal abuse.

2.Anyone living in the property the dog lives at to undergo compulsory dog training and welfare course. I think this would be good regardless of size or breed, dog welfare is important!

3.Compulsory 'responsibility to others course'. Could be included in the above?

4.Have a big big house in the case of the larger breeds Agree with this, all dogs should be in accommodation suitable to their size/energy levels & needs

5.An escape proof very large garden - certified as such by the local council. Escape proof large garden yep

6.The dog to wear a muzzle at all times in public Agreed IF the dog has aggressive tendancies which alot of Owners should know before it attacks

7.Pass an IQ test and Personality Type Assessment. Don't agree on this, people who aren't academically clever can be as good as & better than those who are as Owners.

8.Be childless and agree to be sterlised or sign a document agreeing to give the dog up if they become pregnant, and never adopt. If the dog is supervised AT ALL TIMES by a responsible adult, trained & well socialised & from a good breeder with parents of sound temperament, I think that's enough

9.No children allowed to visit the premises were the dog lives. If they're respectful to dogs & supervised, not running about screaming etc then I don't see why not

10.Any dog owner whose animal cause death or injury to another human being is to be treated by the courts as though the owner his/herself committed the act.

Agree with this to some extent, definitely believe the courts should come down hard on them

What about neutering & microchipping?

lilibeth

UKTigerlily wrote: »

Agree with this to some extent, definitely believe the courts should come down hard on them

What about neutering & microchipping?

Spot on I'll edit
Oh and I agree that all dog owners should have to do dog welfare and handling courses.

UKTigerlily

lilibeth wrote: »

Spot on I'll edit
Oh and I agree that all dog owners should have to do dog welfare and handling courses.

I'd like the age to buy a dog to be 21, with ID shown & utility bill & dogs chipped with breeders details also. I'd also like dogs to be on a lead until they've done an obedience course & have 100% recall & owners to not let their dogs bother on lead ones (I have a dog aggressive dog) working on her tho! Just terrifies me that a dog may run up & get hurt.

lilibeth

UKTigerlily wrote: »

I'd like the age to buy a dog to be 21, with ID shown & utility bill & dogs chipped with breeders details also. I'd also like dogs to be on a lead until they've done an obedience course & have 100% recall & owners to not let their dogs bother on lead ones (I have a dog aggressive dog) working on her tho! Just terrifies me that a dog may run up & get hurt.

Can't disagree with any of that. And I've read your doggy tales. The thing is you are clearly responsible and sadly a dying breed amongst dog owners in this country.

foreign_correspondent

lilibeth wrote: »

Anyone that wants to own any of the more dangerous breeds should have to

1.Have no criminal record whatsoever this includes cautions.
2.Anyone living in the property the dog lives at to undergo compulsory dog training and welfare course.
3.Compulsory 'responsibility to others course'.
4.Have a big big house in the case of the larger breeds
5.An escape proof very large garden - certified as such by the local council.
6.The dog to wear a muzzle at all times in public
7.Pass an IQ test and Personality Type Assessment.
8.Be childless and agree to be sterlised or sign a document agreeing to give the dog up if they become pregnant, and never adopt.
9.No children allowed to visit the premises were the dog lives.
10.Any dog owner whose animal cause death or injury to another human being is to be treated by the courts as though the owner his/herself committed the act.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Who is paying for this? It would be an interesting experiment but would divert a huge amount of funding to unimplementable and unenforcable policy, in a country that still cannot effectively safeguard children against neglect and abuse.

The 'rules' for having a dog would be considerably stricter than the rules for having children - ie. anyone can have them, and only those who are proven to be very high risk are likely to have access restricted.

BTW, statistically parents and carers are far more likely to be a serious risk to children (in terms of abuse, injury, neglect and death) than dogs are.

But, as I said, never mind the reality. It is clearly not dramatic enough or convenient for backing up your point of view.

UKTigerlily

Well hopefully with training we can get her to at least tolerate them, being a rescued stray I don't know her past so am being careful to keep an eye on things she reacts to. lol typical tonight I took her out for her toilet break & fireworks went off, none at all before then & none since!

lilibeth

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Who is paying for this? It would be an interesting experiment but would divert a huge amount of funding to unimplementable and unenforcable policy

It won't divert any funding it will be self funding. The prospective owners of the dogs in question will pay for the tests, monitoring and enforcement.

lilibeth

UKTigerlily wrote: »

Well hopefully with training we can get her to at least tolerate them, being a rescued stray I don't know her past so am being careful to keep an eye on things she reacts to. lol typical tonight I took her out for her toilet break & fireworks went off, none at all before then & none since!

Just keep on doing what your doing.
Re: fireworks, my cat gets funny every time it gets dark now I'm hoping the locals supplies are running low.:D

UKTigerlily

lilibeth wrote: »

Just keep on doing what your doing.
Re: fireworks, my cat gets funny every time it gets dark now I'm hoping the locals supplies are running low.:D

I might try a fireworks CD & DAP difuser. The Cat doesn't care she's gone out! lol nothing bothers her whatsoever!

dutch12

Hmmm seem to be doing a lot of "large dog" posts on this site lately LOL. Sorry to say but all the police and the RSPCA can do is the same as you, ask them to take the dog in and stuff. As long as the dog is on their property and has not attacked any one there is nothing ANYONE can do. even if he does get it's hands on your L.O. there will be nothing the police can do. Animal on Animal attacks are not dealt with by the police. I feel for your situation but If that dog is a guard dog and it seems like it is fulfilling it's purlpose the RSPCA can say all they want, but they are only a charity. Is the dog being walked and is it's living space "clean", has it got shelter and water?