Thankyou to Mr Bluebadge Holder.

poet123

The thing is how do you define a child? I have 4 kids and managed to go shopping,visit hospitals, etc before the advent of these spaces. We had car seats too! we just had to be careful getting the child out,no big deal. No need for these spaces,just pandering to a whim imo. I could legitamately use one with my 11 year old......ridiculous.

candygirl

poet123 wrote: »

The thing is how do you define a child? I have 4 kids and managed to go shopping,visit hospitals, etc before the advent of these spaces. We had car seats too! we just had to be careful getting the child out,no big deal. No need for these spaces,just pandering to a whim imo. I could legitamately use one with my 11 year old......ridiculous.

Exactly:D I'd rather they used these parent and child spaces for disabled as there are never enough disabled spaces:rolleyes:

Antispam

Lets not forget also many people were born or got a disability through no fault of there own. Having kids is a choice, far few spaces I see for disabled yet plenty of P&C spaces

Morty_007

Can't be bothered to quote the actual posts but:

There are FAR more disabled spaces than P&C spaces at all 3 of the big supermarkets I frequent.

Yes, Tesco do a parent and toddler "badge" - window sticker - as part of their baby club which "gives permission" for the car to be in the space. They don't "police" it unfortunately but I have been known to ask someone who is misusing the space to vacate it if I need it and I have never been refused once. (generally get snarled at but if people are misusing the space they generally know they are)

Most supermarket Parent and child spaces these days are accompanied by some sort of sinage asking people to respect that the spaces are for parents with children under the age of 5 to allow for push chair access. If you need to define what a child is for the purposes of using these spaces, you need a lesson in undertanding what the spaces are for.

Parent and child spaces are not made available entirely becaue they are close to the store, it gives parents space to open the door wide to get the child out of a car seat comfortably without destroying the paintwork on the car next door and without putting their back out.

I would rather the spaces were half a mile from the store in most cases because at least then they wouldn't be used by idiots who feel hard done by that someone is having a privelidge when they don't qualify. Why should a parent/carer struggle with getting their child out of the legally enforced car seat he is in, when someone who is perfectly capable of squeezing out of the tiny gap left by your average sized car parking space parks in a space that is big enough to have that parent not struggle?

You wouldn't begrudge me a disabled space if I was disabled. thats only about making things easier for people. This life should be about making things easier for everyone. Why should parents get short shrift?? Because our elders coped? Because we chose to have children?? or is it really just because others are envious that someone is helping us parents out and you don't qualify or are too much of a martyr to say "thanks very much for the help" or because the help wasn't avaliable when you had young children.

I detest the pig headedness of people who park anywhere they shouldn't; double yellows (unless entitled to), parent and child spaces, disabled bays. Why is is that so many people have SUCH a hard time just doing the blooming right thing!?! It's like a red rag to a bull to some people and it's so unfair on those people it's aimed at to help.

Oh and as for who my comments are aimed at...if the cap fits wear it.
It is abundantly clear that ther are people on this thread who have no children and therefore don't know how hard it is to get a tired child into or out of a car seat. I just hope that the next time I have to park in a normal size space it isn't your car I am parked next to because I might just need to open my door a little wider than the space I have, to get my child out. You would be the first to complain that I should have parked in a parent and child space then!


Happy Christmas

flossy_splodge

Ooh, it's turned midnight so that means Peace and Goodwill to all men, and women, and parents, and disabled.:j

Happy Christmas one and all.:santa2: :snow_grin :xmastree: :rudolf:

marleyboy

The thing is a PERMIT HOLDER has more rights than a NON PERMIT HOLDER, which is why they have a disability pass issued.

As far as I know, being a Mum is not a disability, and a Mum has about as much rights as any other able bodied person. If you don't have a pass that states you have more rights...quite simply..YOU DON'T!

maryotuam

It's an imperfect world full of imperfect people but here in the UK it's pretty good compared to living in one of the many countries racked with war and lawlessness on a massive scale.
Season's Greetings....Peace and Goodwill to All People!

Morglin

The diference between disabled bays and M&C bays is that disabled bays are required (by law) and need a badge displayed, and M&C bays are a courtesy given by an organisation, and have no legal basis.

Our supermarket tells us to use M&C bays if we cannot get in a dis bay - because anyone can actually legally use a M&C bay, as they are not enforceable.

Having done both the carrying of babies/children, and now being disabled, I wondered what year society decided having children rendered people incapable of walking more then a few yards, and needing 'near' bays anyway?

Kids can walk or be carried - I can't!!:eek:

Lin:rolleyes:

Madjock

ok, it's xmas day so i'll try not to be too vicious.

No, I'm not a parent. I am someone's child though and I do actually know people who have children. We all make assumptions and generalisations such as the OP has done about the gent who parked in the parent and toddler spot at the hospital.
I cannot abide the modern trend for preciousness about children and parenting. My mum was a parent 47 years ago when car seats were unheard of but carfuls of boisterous kids did exist. How on earth did my folks manage to travel about and negotiate all those parking spaces with 4 kids and a dog to get in and out of the car?
Another modern trend I cannot abide is the belief that some people have, that they can treat people who don't happen to have kids as though they are less deserving of parking near the supermarket, getting a seat on the bus, not having to negotiate 3 buggies at the front of the bus because the parent has a right to block the aisle. God forbid they should remove their child from the pushchair and fold it away in one of those silly storage areas provided. And lets not mention the mess of crisps, sweets and assorted crap left behind on the seats and floor by the little horrors.
Then there's the baby on board stickers in cars. So???? Do you want a lane all to yourselves on the roads as well?
And let's not have the conversation about child tax credits.
I'm not a parent and never will be, and I do generally do the half mile trundle to the back of the carpark because we don't usually park in parent and child spaces. This whole issue is not generally on my radar except when I come across threads like this on internet forums. Take your assumptions and sanctimony and talk to someone who gives a toss.

System

[quote=JoolzS;16999679 - I've never noticed an age limit on them.

Julie[/quote]

the picture on the ground of a child in a pram SHOULD be a clue to any normal person .