Bailiffs to be allowed to use force on debtors.

StevieJ

dopester wrote: »

That was scary wasn't it. They even dragged out the guy sat next to him, simply for complaining about the rough treatment of the elderly guy.

3 big heavies.

Worst still... the police refused them re-entry to the building under the prevention of terrorism act. Ridiculous eh.

Edit for source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4291388.stm

Hey Dopester, where are you from Alty or Rochdale, just out of interest

wigglebeena

Anyone giving odds on someone getting tasered for being a bit 'vocal' at the next party conference? Bet that's what they brought tasers in for...

Don't tase me bro... I only said Gordon couldn't run a sweetshop never mind a country... and that Blair's gonna fry in hell, a century per maimed Iraqi kid/equipment-less dead Brit soldier... Get that oil nice and smokin'.

I'm not surprised Blair's gone RC, he's going to need a whole lot of special dispensations and pardons with his record. Is there an old boys' club in heaven? If not then he's !!!!!!ed.

neverdespairgirl

wigglebeena wrote: »

Remember the fragile OAP physically dragged out of the NuLabour conference for heckling? (Very mild heckling at that). They really are prize scumbags.

He was in his 80s, as I remember, and had fled Nazi Germany before the war. The horrific thing he shouted, for which he was thrown out by several bouncers each twice his size, and barred under anti-terrorism laws from returning, was "nonsense!"

There is a great quote from the BBC about heckling:

Harold Wilson famously silenced a man who demanded why he supported "savages" in Rhodesia.


"My friend, we don't support savages, we just allow them to come to our meetings," Wilson replied, to great applause.

But even Wilson came unstuck during a speech in Chatham when, having sung the praises of the nation's Navy, he asked, rhetorically: "And why am I saying all this?" A voice from the back of the hall replied: "Because you are in Chatham."

neverdespairgirl

StevieJ wrote: »

This is what I hate about this govt, maybe NDG can make a comment but when the right to remain silent ( existed from what we are lead to believe was a barbaric time) to locking people away for months without trial. I detest this govt, I am a Labour voter,

There are many, many things which scare me about the erosion of our civil liberties over the last decade.

However, I think the ending of the right to silence was not one of them. My view has always been that it was a fiction; the average jury would think, "if he had an explanation, why wouldn't he tell us?" and mostly, I think that's right.

John_Pierpoint

mr.broderick wrote: »

I now have a wwII pistol locked in a drawer in my bedroom, the key is on a chain around my neck. If someone burst through my front door and i was at home with my young children i would calmly walk upstairs open the drawer walk back downstairs and empty the magazine on them.

As someone who has made a "citizen's arrest", you have to be very careful.
When interviewed by the police I was only too aware that we were both playing a game. They had to probe me (and a witness taken to another room) and I was at risk of being charged with "undue force" (= assault?).
I had to use very measured words and portray myself as caring about the welfare of the young (18 - 21?) !!!!!!.
Never did find out the truth as fortunately he plead guilty to "attempted" burglary, probably a plea bargain.

BTW the Norfolk Farmer was definitely NOT cleared.
In that case the truly guilty were the two older men in the party, who had brought their apprentice with them all the way from Newark. They left him to bleed to death in the bushes.
One of them even tried to sue for damages.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/news/index/tonymartin.asp#appeal

To get back on topic. Taking a legal charge on the home should be an effective move against middle class owner occupiers.

wigglebeena

Now I want a 'DON'T TASE ME BRO' T-shirt - to wear to the next conference. How about a Recession Board posse in matching Ts, whipping off our woolly jumpers to reveal them when Jacqui Smith takes the stage? Of course, they wouldn't have the wit or media nous to refrain from actually doing so... I understand it hurts like !!!!!!! heck too. C'mon, anyone else want to get labelled a member of a dangerous T-shirt wielding terrorist gang, threatening the fabric of our great nation with... fabric?

wigglebeena

Of course, if the Wolfgang incident had happened now (or very shortly) they actually would have tased him. (Can anyone see NuLabour goons holding back?). I can't see an 80-year old surviving a tasing. So they would have killed him - for shouting 'Nonsense'.

Summary justice in NuLabour Britain. Anyone see 'Survivors' last night? With the flu bugs on the reports immediately afterwards, it felt pretty much like a documentary...

**** it. I'm joining the Tories - paying my dues and everything. Gotta do something.

sircharles

If Clown passed this law he'd be in danger for the rest of his days. There's some very angry people out there. He and his bunch of idiots were the ones who coerced people into getting into debt! If he then sent the heavies round to break down peoples doors and overpower them while taking their goods away there would a war. Make no mistake!

markelock

homeowners with sticks, bailiffs with sticks with nails in?

frightening thought, with frightening consequences, for all concerned. I had bailiffs at mine on the day I moved in, looking for the criminal that lived here before.

I'm as concerned with the erosion of our civil liberties as I am with the lack of moral and ethics our governments show on a day to day basis.

mr.broderick

John_Pierpoint wrote: »

As someone who has made a "citizen's arrest", you have to be very careful.
When interviewed by the police I was only too aware that we were both playing a game. They had to probe me (and a witness taken to another room) and I was at risk of being charged with "undue force" (= assault?).
I had to use very measured words and portray myself as caring about the welfare of the young (18 - 21?) !!!!!!.
Never did find out the truth as fortunately he plead guilty to "attempted" burglary, probably a plea bargain.

BTW the Norfolk Farmer was definitely NOT cleared.
In that case the truly guilty were the two older men in the party, who had brought their apprentice with them all the way from Newark. They left him to bleed to death in the bushes.
One of them even tried to sue for damages.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/news/index/tonymartin.asp#appeal

To get back on topic. Taking a legal charge on the home should be an effective move against middle class owner occupiers.

Nice points john and well done for the arrest, it takes balls to ty to restrain someone, you never know how desperate they may be or if they were carrying any weapons. I do think though that someone bursting through your front door must accept there may be consequences.