Bailiffs to be allowed to use force on debtors.

sircharles

Many folk believe in Karma and when people take delight into going into jobs which cause heartache and pain (and Bailiffs DO enjoy their jobs - and they DO effectively steal from the poor) something very very bad happens to these people later on.

Karma works in mysterious ways, and bad luck is just around the corner for these thugs.

SEE

On a more serious note:D

Bailiff charges are extortionate, is there a regulatory body?

I've heard that bailiffs can only charge £42, and I also found this on another forum
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bailiffs-sheriff-officers/160867-urgent-help-needed-council.html

A lot of people are going to meet bailiffs for the first time ever over the next few years, and I think its important they are armed with facts.

sircharles

SEE wrote: »

On a more serious note:D

Bailiff charges are extortionate, is there a regulatory body?

I've heard that bailiffs can only charge £42, and I also found this on another forum
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bailiffs-sheriff-officers/160867-urgent-help-needed-council.html

A lot of people are going to meet bailiffs for the first time ever over the next few years, and I think its important they are armed with facts.

Well if that's the case they're robbing people to boot!!

WHO exactly are allowing these thugs to steal from folk???

RobertoMoir

SEE wrote: »

On a more serious note:D

Bailiff charges are extortionate, is there a regulatory body?

I've heard that bailiffs can only charge £42, and I also found this on another forum
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bailiffs-sheriff-officers/160867-urgent-help-needed-council.html

A lot of people are going to meet bailiffs for the first time ever over the next few years, and I think its important they are armed with facts.

You "might have heard" that bailiffs can only charge £42, but that's much like you "might have heard" that Elvis is alive. Or let me be specific: that's at best "half of the story" and at worst a lot of crap.

I'd agree that the fees can be extortionate, but you won't get far claiming that every bailiff fee over £42 is invalid.

The "regulatory body" for bailiffs collecting council tax would be the council instructing them and the court that issued the bailiff with their certificate (if applicable). There is another association for bailiffs, but I think joining is optional and they aren't there to protect your interests in any case, if you see what I mean.

RobertoMoir

sircharles wrote: »

Well if that's the case they're robbing people to boot!!

Except of course that isn't the case. It's much more complicated than that.

sircharles wrote: »

WHO exactly are allowing these thugs to steal from folk???

I'm going to go with "the court that issued the warrant" and "the council that instructed the bailiff" and "aside from the rogues that do exist, it isn't technically stealing no matter how much it feels like it".

I'm not defending the actions of bailiffs. I'm glad I'm not one any more and therefore I'm not associated with their behaviour any more, however there is a lot of nonsense talked about this subject that does nothing to help people who are facing this very unpleasant problem.

olly300

sircharles wrote: »

If Clown passed this law he'd be in danger for the rest of his days. There's some very angry people out there. He and his bunch of idiots were the ones who coerced people into getting into debt! If he then sent the heavies round to break down peoples doors and overpower them while taking their goods away there would a war. Make no mistake!

More likely someone will work out that the names of certain cabinet members aren't that unique or uncommon. Plus addresses aren't that hide to find.

ALIBOBSY

RobertoMoir wrote: »

You "might have heard" that bailiffs can only charge £42, but that's much like you "might have heard" that Elvis is alive. Or let me be specific: that's at best "half of the story" and at worst a lot of crap.

I'd agree that the fees can be extortionate, but you won't get far claiming that every bailiff fee over £42 is invalid.

The "regulatory body" for bailiffs collecting council tax would be the council instructing them and the court that issued the bailiff with their certificate (if applicable). There is another association for bailiffs, but I think joining is optional and they aren't there to protect your interests in any case, if you see what I mean.

there are strict rules relating to the collection of council tax which DO limit the costs to a max of £42.50 (providing no possesion orders etc have been completed). However this only applies to council tax. Mind you I have read a number of people who have settled debts and refused to pay up the baliff fees, never seen any baliffs take em to court. Would be very hard to justify several hundred pounds for knocking on a door when no one is home.

There should be tighter regulation of baliffs and limits on the amounts they charge, mind you interest rates should be capped as well.

This proposal has kicked around for a couple of years and been opposed by a number of peers, so hopefully will never see the light of day.

How immoral can GB get ,on one hand looking at this as a possible law and on the other telling people to borrow and spend more to get the economy going.

Like many previous labour supporters I will vote cons just to get em out.

ali x

RobertoMoir

ALIBOBSY wrote: »

there are strict rules relating to the collection of council tax which DO limit the costs to a max of £42.50 (providing no possesion orders etc have been completed).

You mean, providing no levy of distress has been completed. Sorry but I'm not just being pedantic here, the levy fee thing is interesting: The fees that people talked about being "allowed" are for the first and second visits with the intention of doing a levy. In my opinion, Bailiff firms might have encouraged bailiffs not to try too hard to get a levy on these first two visits, to maximise the fees recovered, and councils may not have looked at this too hard.

Isn't a possession order concerned with bailiffs serving papers on tenants for non payment of rent?

ALIBOBSY wrote: »

However this only applies to council tax. Mind you I have read a number of people who have settled debts and refused to pay up the baliff fees, never seen any baliffs take em to court. Would be very hard to justify several hundred pounds for knocking on a door when no one is home.

Agree on that. The van fee, which is what you're talking about, is very contentious. What you're talking about is when people have paid the debt back to the council without bailiff fees (but they'd probably still want the court fees), because if it's paid via the bailiffs, they'll take the cost of their charges off the top before passing on anything to the council.

ALIBOBSY wrote: »

There should be tighter regulation of baliffs and limits on the amounts they charge, mind you interest rates should be capped as well.

This proposal has kicked around for a couple of years and been opposed by a number of peers, so hopefully will never see the light of day.

How immoral can GB get ,on one hand looking at this as a possible law and on the other telling people to borrow and spend more to get the economy going.

Totally agree with all this. The people behind this are either intentionally turning the screws at both ends or they're too dumb to be able to breathe and walk at the same time, which certainly doesn't bode well for those of us who have to live with their decisions.

louiser123

i am totally appauled at this even being considered!!!! im sure that any country who agrees and passes a law to make it ok for anyone to be treat like that is absoloutly abismal!!!
im not in debt but i can well imagine the stress that being in debt creates alone without the worry of burly heavys on your doorstep to threaten and carry out these actions. it makes me truly sick to even be living in a world where this is even remotely thought as right.

in the current countrys situation the flamin gov should hang thier heads in shame they have spent the taxpayers money to bail out banks and the same banks have stuck thier fingers up at them once they got the money and still carry on making a complete mess!!

yet its ok to frighten, bully, and even harm which will happen, poor people who for the most part have ended up in a mess through this countrys philosophys!!!

and i do appreciate that some will be in debt through thier own fault but it still doesnt make it right to treat anyone like that!

rant over!!!

FlyingDonkeys

Will Cameron throw this out? Its appalling for Labour to bring this in. And don't they bear responsibilities with all the stealth tax for moving large chunks of money from us which are unsustainable.

The congestion charge penalty that imposes punitive fines for just forgetting by a few days! They should have made it a £1 and fined you £5 a month if not paid. That way everyone would just want to pay it and not feel as completely ripped off with £60 and bailiffs on the way to restrain if you can't come up with that kind of cash. Good God what is this country coming to.