Bailiffs to be allowed to use force on debtors.

Austin_Allegro

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that laws like this would be a perfect opportunity to foist biometric ID cards on the public, as a quick and easy way to avoid situations like this...

I'm sorry to say that you are always going to get laws like this under a Labour government; because any party that seeks to enlarge the State will generally end up having to do so by coercion rather than consent.

Former_Spice

You need to differentiate between baliffs who are court appointed to enforce unpaid fines or CCJ's and debt collection agencies that have the same rights to demand money on your doorstep as a carol singer does.

Austin_Allegro

epz wrote: »

i need to move to a country with lots of guns, stuff like that becomes harder to implement when people have a means to defend themselves.

weird thing is i get called a fascist for suggesting that government is inherently corrupt and incompetent and that it should but the hell out except for very special instances like to set/enforce the law and military services.

I've come to the conclusion the British people are inherently statist. I think it's a hangover from feudalism - the idea that the Squire knows best has been replaced by 'the guvvament'll take care of it' plus 60+ years of statist social policy have killed off any residual individualism.

Most people who disagreed with this kind of thing !!!!!!ed off to America in about 1760!

Most people I talk to have simply no idea of limited government nor of the political concept behind the Americans' right to bear arms and just think they are mad rednecks blasting off guns everywhere, ie, the image that British and European statists would like them to have.

trebor69trebor

I feel sorry for the poor guy who ever trys breaking into my property thy will need a body bag to take the bits of him away in i will do time for any one who thinks he can attack me in my own home

jamescredmond

Austin_Allegro wrote: »

I've come to the conclusion the British people are inherently statist. I think it's a hangover from feudalism - the idea that the Squire knows best has been replaced by 'the guvvament'll take care of it' plus 60+ years of statist social policy have killed off any residual individualism.

Most people who disagreed with this kind of thing !!!!!!ed off to America in about 1760!

Most people I talk to have simply no idea of limited government nor of the political concept behind the Americans' right to bear arms and just think they are mad rednecks blasting off guns everywhere, ie, the image that British and European statists would like them to have.

I'm surprised that I'm only one to thank you for this. post of the day, IMO.

the 'keep your head down and do as you're told' mentality is alive and well. as if the unwashed masses are incapable of thinking for themselves. if anything,this view is worse than that held by my (80's) generation.

I see plenty of 20-something people, who behave with complete 'compliance'.

sad, but ultimately suitable for a gov. that finds questioning irksome.

StevieJ

MRSTITTLEMOUSE wrote: »

Well it's been pretty obvious that this government's been becoming more like a dictatorship for ages so I'm surprized that anyone's shocked at whatever comes out next.(This thing about bailiff's powers was announced ages ago by the way).
All I can say is welcome to Britain under a labour(always loony government).
The German people in the early 30s did'nt see their problems coming either,look what happened to them.

This is what I hate about this govt, maybe NDG can make a comment but when the right to remain silent ( existed from what we are lead to believe was a barbaric time) to locking people away for months without trial. I detest this govt, I am a Labour voter,

StevieJ

trebor69trebor wrote: »

I feel sorry for the poor guy who ever trys breaking into my property thy will need a body bag to take the bits of him away in i will do time for any one who thinks he can attack me in my own home

I would bre sorry (or not) for you if you did what you threatened

wigglebeena

jamescredmond wrote: »

sad, but ultimately suitable for a gov. that finds questioning irksome.

Remember the fragile OAP physically dragged out of the NuLabour conference for heckling? (Very mild heckling at that). They really are prize scumbags.

dopester

wigglebeena wrote: »

Remember the fragile OAP physically dragged out of the NuLabour conference for heckling? (Very mild heckling at that). They really are prize scumbags.

That was scary wasn't it. They even dragged out the guy sat next to him, simply for complaining about the rough treatment of the elderly guy.

3 big heavies.

Worst still... the police refused them re-entry to the building under the prevention of terrorism act. Ridiculous eh.

Edit for source:

Police later used powers under the Terrorism Act to prevent Mr Wolfgang's re-entry, but he was not arrested.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4291388.stm

wigglebeena

Maybe he was a ninja OAP. Surely he must have been a bit handy for them to be so terrified of the threat he represented...

Of course anyone asserting their right to protest or assemble is indeed a threat now. And liable to have anti-terrorist laws used as a weapon against them.

I've spent half a lifetime voting Labour and I can find no more excuses for this disgusting amoral troupe of half-trained monkeys. Never again for me.