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If my old computer could play modern FPS games at a high resolution and framerate, then I wouldn't have upgraded the PC. I do understand that I could have bought a mac and er..installed vista on it in order to play the games I like (kinda missing the point), but I fancied a high end, rather than mid range GPU., or I could have installed linux and ....er...not played the games, I did not change hard/software at the behest of microsoft, but at that of Nvidia and ATI for creating technologies which game developers took advantage of, gaming drives hardware technology, pron drives internet technology, it's just the way of things.

MikeWhitehead

If you really want to upgrade, go for Vista HP. That way if you want to do an upgrade on release of W7, you'll be in the middle-of-the-range price bracket for upgrade charges. I'd say don't touch W7 for at least 3 months post-release until the major problems are ironed out, and the more minor ones have known workarounds.

Conor wrote: »

If XP works, stick with XP. If you want Vista, get Vista. Windows 7 is based on Vista so it's basically going to be Vista with a few GUI changes and tweaks.

Vista is absolutely fine. If all those who !!!!! about it actually tried using it instead of regurgitating the same misinformed rubbish, they might find they change their minds. It's also amazing that they think their arguments are something new when it's exactly the same that was being said about XP when it was released.

1) "Windows 7 is based on Vista" is such a blanket statement. Vista is based on XP, XP is based on the 5 revision kernel, which is based on the 4th revision, etc. They are all based on their predecessor as they haven't done any entire rebuilds since what, DOS? Win98 even has remnants of the 3.x series.

2) Not misinformed. Vista is an overly-bloated operating system. FACT. Windows Vista SP1 was designed to help performance, SP2 is aiming to do the same. Windows 7/Blackcomb/Vienna is aiming to give further performance improvements from the inclusions back in the Vista/Longhorn codebase. THREE iterations later they are still trying to clean up the mess. Misinformed? I think not.

tonyhague wrote: »

or I could have installed linux and ....er...not played the games

Look at WINE, I think you'll find a very large portion of games are supported, or unsupported but work.

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MikeWhitehead wrote: »

Not misinformed. Vista is an overly-bloated operating system. FACT.

What qualifies you to make such a bold statement, have you analysed the code yourself?

Leopard

I think, in effect, MikeWhitehead is saying this.

MikeWhitehead

anewhope wrote: »

What qualifies you to make such a bold statement, have you analysed the code yourself?

Lets look at the facts shall we?

1) RAM Requirements
2) Drive Requirements
3) CPU Requirements
4) Windows XP is released on a CD. How many Vista copies have you found on a CD?
5) Performance benchmarks between the two operating systems show XP at a higher mark.
6) Compare any Linux distro with Vista (turn both/either/none of the advanced graphic displays). Which of the two can do IDENTICAL tasks as the other, while running on around 1/4-1/8 of the RAM without paging?

Must I go on?

MikeWhitehead

Leopard wrote: »

I think, in effect, Mike Woodhead is saying this.

EDIT: Apology accepted

Leopard

I apologise to you for that - genuinely and unreservedly. It was truly a typing error: one I'd just spotted and was coming back to edit. And, indeed I'll do that right now. (Feel free to edit it in your quote of it. Or to delete it entirely if you wish.)

I promise you I don't make jibes as cheap as that (even if you do ) and absolutely no offence was intended to you personally. (Much was intended towards Microsoft. )

Are you happy on that?

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Mike, my previous experience of Linux had me tearing my hair out...until...I realised that I already had an OS on my machine which did everything I wanted, all of my software worked on it, and the hardware just...works, none of this enclosing a windows driver in a wrapper malarkey.
But (bad grammar) I did like the funky desktop rotatey thingumy which wobbled when it changed. (it doesn't take a lot to please me).
I have absolutely no doubt linux will be a genuine contender for OS of choice for the common man, but that time is not here, yet. When that day comes, and developers start making commercial games which run natively in the O/S, then I shall return

just googled wine and crysis....er...that'll be a not really, then

MikeWhitehead

tonyhague wrote: »

Mike, my previous experience of Linux had me tearing my hair out...until...I realised that I already had an OS on my machine which did everything I wanted, all of my software worked on it, and the hardware just...works, none of this enclosing a windows driver in a wrapper malarkey.
But (bad grammar) I did like the funky desktop rotatey thingumy which wobbled when it changed. (it doesn't take a lot to please me).
I have absolutely no doubt linux will be a genuine contender for OS of choice for the common man, but that time is not here, yet. When that day comes, and developers start making commercial games which run natively in the O/S, then I shall return

just googled wine and crysis....er...that'll be a not really, then

When did you try Linux last? In the last year or two hardware supposed has leaped forward. I must confess though that with this rig I won't be running a Linux distro as my main O/S (as much as it pains me to say), simply because of the touchy area of graphics drivers. Commercial games won't be more mainstream on *nix for a while I'm afraid, as OpenGL is taking a beating just now and Microsoft for sure won't open source DirectX! They ARE, however, taking the right steps in pushing people towards *nix by releasing poor operating systems!

Crysis can be run in DX9 mode can't it? Can't say I'm honestly sure - I've never touched the game. I wouldn't rule it out though.

On a completely unrelated note: I look forward to the year 2038 bug! Who needs year 2000?

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last time...july/august...hardy heron?! broadcom based wifi adapter was a PITA, google would have been my friend if only I'd been born with a few more nerd-cells, as it was, it was like trying to teach the "r" sound to a native Chinese speaker, it might be dead easy, 2nd nature even, for the teacher, but incomprehensible for the student (which was me).
Line after line of command line arguments, very few of which I understood (and I loved DOS)...and the end result...no wireless. I suppose I could have accepted that, as my PC is connected via Cat5e, wireless wasn't, and isn't important, mbut that's not the point. I install vista and the card is picked up straight away.