Private Parking Tickets discussion

Coupon-mad

danger1978 wrote: »

more than happy to name & shame!

company origianlly issuing ticket are L.C.E. LTD t/a National Parking Control, debt collection agency are Daniels Silverman. on last letter the total payable has gone from the origianl £60 to £267.42! this won't effect my credit rating will it?

We have heard about these letters before and they lead nowhere so keep ignoring them.

But if you have kept the letters please consider adding them to our info thread which shows all the letters these companies use to try to get people to pay up. The thread is by Crabman at the top of the parking board here:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163

It's worth you looking at the thread (and others on this busy board) to help you understand it's OK to ignore and there's no effect on your credit rating at all. If you can take digital pics of those Daniels Silverman letters it would be very helpful to other worried newbies to see that letter-chain.

Just remove any ID details and if not sure then pm Crabman with your links first (remove the http to break the link and then Crabman can convert it back to a full link for the thread).

Many thanks if you can help - you are doing great so far but stop ringing them! They won't send anyone round - that's a common threat also used by other debt collectors if you look at our thread of pictures. Even if a 'debt collector' ever did visit in these circumstances just shut the door in their face and give them 3 seconds to get off your land. A debt collector is not a Court bailiff, they have NO powers.

Gobo_2

Hi Everyone

I'm really sorry if this has been posted before but I don't have time to go through the forum right now.

I have been issued a ticket from a private firm where the information on the ticket is wrong.

I.E. They have stated that my car was seen at 16.12pm but the ticket was issued at 16.09pm, a physical impossibility.

Obviously this makes the ticket a false statement of the event and I would have thought would invalidate the ticket but they are threatening court action.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Do you think I'll win the case?

Thanks in advance

Gobo

esmerobbo

Gobo wrote: »

Hi Everyone

I'm really sorry if this has been posted before but I don't have time to go through the forum right now.

I have been issued a ticket from a private firm where the information on the ticket is wrong.

I.E. They have stated that my car was seen at 16.12pm but the ticket was issued at 16.09pm, a physical impossibility.

Obviously this makes the ticket a false statement of the event and I would have thought would invalidate the ticket but they are threatening court action.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Do you think I'll win the case?

Thanks in advance

Gobo

Keep the ticket but it does not matter what it says on it! Its still rubbish, just ignore it and any other letter they send!

If you were the unlucky one out of thousands who was taken to court. The ticket mistake would blow them out of the water. You can not do something retrospectively.

Which company is this? Then we can offer more advice.

Oopsadaisy

Gobo wrote: »

Hi Everyone

I'm really sorry if this has been posted before but I don't have time to go through the forum right now.

I have been issued a ticket from a private firm where the information on the ticket is wrong.

I.E. They have stated that my car was seen at 16.12pm but the ticket was issued at 16.09pm, a physical impossibility.

Obviously this makes the ticket a false statement of the event and I would have thought would invalidate the ticket but they are threatening court action.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Do you think I'll win the case?

Thanks in advance

Gobo

You just need the time to read the post on the same page as yours which iirc says Private = Ignore, ignore, ignore some more.

It's actually quicker for you to simply find and read the answer than to post a question and come back later to read the question..but hey, what do I know?

Gobo_2

Thanks a lot to both of you!

I am more than happy to name and shame but don't have the ticket with me at the moment. I can post it tonight.

I did read that page and got the general advice re ignoring but didn't know how I stood re a mistake on the ticket.

I understand that being taken to court is unheard of and the letters are just intended to scare you into paying but in this case I thought they may be serious as they have passed the matter to a debt collection agency who have then passed it to a solicitors who are threatening court action.

This would obviously cost the parking firm money so thought they knew something I didn't. I appealed stating the msitke on the ticket and they said it would still be admissable in court.

I don't know if they're trying to call my bluff or not but wouldn't have thought they'd spend money by passing it to bedt collectors and now solicitors if they weren't serious and confident of court success.

Thanks again

Gobo

esmerobbo

Gobo wrote: »

Thanks a lot to both of you!

I am more than happy to name and shame but don't have the ticket with me at the moment. I can post it tonight.

I did read that page and got the general advice re ignoring but didn't know how I stood re a mistake on the ticket.

I understand that being taken to court is unheard of and the letters are just intended to scare you into paying but in this case I thought they may be serious as they have passed the matter to a debt collection agency who have then passed it to a solicitors who are threatening court action.

This would obviously cost the parking firm money so thought they knew something I didn't. I appealed stating the msitke on the ticket and they said it would still be admissable in court.

I don't know if they're trying to call my bluff or not but wouldn't have thought they'd spend money by passing it to bedt collectors and now solicitors if they weren't serious and confident of court success.

Thanks again

Gobo

The letters cost the PPC next to nothing, its all about chance! They pass it to a debt collector and say collect on that and you get £X. They are hoping to make you fold. PPC ignored so they try a Debt collector then a solicitor. The whole chain probably costs them £10 plus time. If the get a few to cough up their winning!

I would take a guess at the solicitor being a certain Graham White?

Gobo_2

Yep got it in 1.

I've also noticed that the solicitors address is the same as the debt collection agency. They also allude to the chance of credit being unavailable in future, but I know from looking on here that it's can't affect your credit rating unless a court order is declared

Coupon-mad

Gobo wrote: »

Yep got it in 1.

I've also noticed that the solicitors address is the same as the debt collection agency. They also allude to the chance of credit being unavailable in future, but I know from looking on here that it's can't affect your credit rating unless a court order is declared

Aww stop worrying please - they use Solicitor letter-heading just to scare you.

Let me guess, it's Roxburghe and then Roxburghe pretending to be Graham White? It is the same company that send these letters out, there's no Solicitor except in name. They are so well known they are mentioned on here every other day.

Everyone gets these letters. They have NOT singled you out.

Here's the whole parking board view. All newbies should start here and read lots of threads:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163

Read the stickies, see the letter-chain including the Roxburghe/Graham White standard threatograms. Read the other stickies by Crabman, the 'read this before posting' one (if only people would!) tells you everything you need to know and gives you a link to Watchdog on the matter. Watch the link and laugh.

The Times has an article about ignoring PPC tickets, in TODAY's paper. The Guardian covered this last year (different company I expect but same advice, ignore it):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2010/sep/04/parking-ticket-private-property

Now start ignoring these standard letters, computer-generated in the Roxburghe offices. Just play snap as each matching threat arrives, as per our sticky thread of pictures.

gillkt

Thanks for the advise given about TPS. I'm going to hold tight and see what happens next. The photos on the pcn don't prove who was driving, infact you can't even see a driver in them and someone was allegedly driving it in and out of the carpark.
Another thought, is it legal for DVLA to be selling someone's details on like that, what happened to data protection?

Coupon-mad

gillkt wrote: »

Thanks for the advise given about TPS. I'm going to hold tight and see what happens next. The photos on the pcn don't prove who was driving, infact you can't even see a driver in them and someone was allegedly driving it in and out of the carpark.
Another thought, is it legal for DVLA to be selling someone's details on like that, what happened to data protection?

We know, it's shocking isn't it? :mad:

But yes it's legal for the DVLA to pass your details to anyone who has 'reason' to request them - and that includes private parking companies for some reason even though they can NEVER have any case against a registered keeper unless they know he/she was driving. Even then there's the 'small matter' of convincing a judge that a fair contract was established and understood...that's a very rare occurrence!

And if you've read the stickies at the top of the forum you will already know what happens next - right down to the typeface and order of the computerised letters. It's all shown in our top thread:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163

Have you seen the Watchdog clip on Crabman's other sticky 'read this before posting'? If not then watch it and have a laugh. Then read down the page, as many other threads as it takes until you understand that this ticket is absolutely NOTHING to worry about.

Tell your friends & family. Word of mouth on this issue will be the end of the PPC regime.