Enquiry about benefits and housing?

TOBRUK

Odd I dont remember my daughter having to tick a box for "Don’t want to go to college". She wasn't entitled of course, so despite her wanting to go to college she has to work at the same time.

I don't understand, are you saying that your daughter wanted to go to college but wasn't entitled? How do you mean not entitled?

Anyone who is accepted for a course at college can go. They will undoubtedly end the course with debt these days (even if they get a part time job) but they have to weigh up their options and come to a decision.

zoezoe_3

"If your daughter is not entitled to EMA then it's because your household income is deemed too high. The EMA is intended for those from poorer families to enable them to continue to get an education where otherwise they might drop out."

Yes I know, I was responding to the claim that the EMA was for people who do not want to go to college.

"What part of NOT WANTING a 20K debt do you not understand?! If someone wants to be an architect then they need an education and a qualification. If the only way they can get that is through going to University, then what option do they have? Perhaps they should stack shelves instead?!"

What is so different from "I do not want debt but want to go to university" and "I do not want to claim benefits but want a baby"?

The value of a new baby in society and a new tax payer in 18 year has to be just as important as one persons education (and possibly) the opportunity to earn more?

The only time to judge is at the end of their lives and work out how much the took from society and how much they paid back. All families with children take from society - and quite rightly so - we need a work force to pay for our old age!

parisjordana

zoezoe seems quite bitter about something....so you condone a person recieving 10,20 or at the highest rate 30 pound a week EMA to better themselves and have an education and future yet you encourage(maybe thats to strong a word ) but dont discourage then a 16 year old having a baby and going on benefits which belive me would be far more than 10,20 or 30 pound a week.you said if they are working they wont need much benefits....he works in wetherspoons PART TIME and plans to go to UNI this is where benefits will kick in ....they will need somewhere to live that will be housing benefit that pay for that,no doubt they will get council tax rebate and so the list goes on ...

zoezoe_3

briona wrote: »

. Interesting though that you seem unwilling to accept that these people are entitled to a part-funded education yet quite happy to let the state fund a teenage couple who want a baby

Unwilling? Where did you see me say or imply that?

happy to let the state fund this couple? Where did you read that?

My point is this, people have ready the OP posts and just made up the ending! What if they had the baby, went to college and UNI, funded by the usual loans, part time jobs, got some extra help with burseries, and some benefits (they wont get much since they will have other source of income)stayed in each night to study because they had a child to look after, struggled but were happy and in 4 years time were in really good jobs paying back any tax that they might have claimed?

briona

I rather think you're missing the point! :wall:

This isn't about wanting a baby but not benefits. The OP said they are planning to have a baby, but while many people's plans involve saving and working out their finances, the OP has only thought as far as what benefits they can get their hands on and how quickly can they get a council house!

zoezoe wrote: »

The value of a new baby in society and a new tax payer in 18 year has to be just as important as one persons education (and possibly) the opportunity to earn more?

And what makes you think this new baby WILL become a tax payer?! Take the OP's girlfriend for example – 16 years ago she was a new baby... but she's not apparently intending to become a tax payer! On the contrary other tax payers will be supporting her and her choices for some time to come. :rolleyes:

zoezoe wrote: »

All families with children take from society - and quite rightly so - we need a work force to pay for our old age!

A person on benefits, especially one who's been on them for life is NOT part of the workforce that will pay for our old age! Sadly in today's economic climate a tax payer is probably of more use than a new baby! There is a very valid argument that people should not have children that they can't afford, and whilst having children should not be a privilege of the rich, if the economy crashed how the hell would all these people support their children?!

zoezoe_3

parisjordana wrote: »

zoezoe seems quite bitter about something....so you condone a person recieving 10,20 or at the highest rate 30 pound a week EMA to better themselves and have an education and future yet you encourage(maybe thats to strong a word ) but dont discourage then a 16 year old having a baby and going on benefits which belive me would be far more than 10,20 or 30 pound a week.you said if they are working they wont need much benefits....he works in wetherspoons PART TIME and plans to go to UNI this is where benefits will kick in ....they will need somewhere to live that will be housing benefit that pay for that,no doubt they will get council tax rebate and so the list goes on ...

They will get council tax rebate just for being students and nothing to do with having a child.

I have been in exactly their situation (but single), and by the time you have student loan, extra loans for having dependents, bursery and any extra help for being a student - there is not much allowed in benefits. I received just under £30 a week housing benefit (for a £70 flat) and only received IS for the summer holiday period for the one summer i did not work. I came out with twice as much debt and my friends without babies because I was forced to borrow more.

I am not bitter - I just have no idea why so many posters have accused the OP of so many things without knowing the full facts. People seem to have made up their mind about how these people will live their lives.

TOBRUK

zoezoe wrote: »

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What is so different from "I do not want debt but want to go to university" and "I do not want to claim benefits but want a baby"?

It's true you can't go to university without coming out with a huge debt, however, when you have a degree you have a better chance of a good job,salary, career and prospects. On top of this you pay back your loans.

If you do not want to claim benefits but want a baby, you make plans i.e. you work, save, have a place to live for starters - don't you? The couple in question (despite their ages) do not work, they don't live together but live with their parents and have no place to live to start out together. They both seem to want to go to college. Why don't they go to college, live a little and then start making plans after that - if they are still together. They will be in a much better position, it's only for 3 years and they would still be young! Why try and make life harder for yourselves???

parisjordana

wow Briona you beat me to it again,my point I was going to raise also was who says that baby will be a tax payer when 18 as mum wont be also zoe zoe says maybe in 4 years time they will get good jobs and pay back what they have had...they may not...they may go on to think this is an easy game you have children get a house get everything paid and so it goes on into the benefit trap(not in some cases,they enjoy it ),if hes come on here asking for council house ,benefits etc hes certainly put a lot of thought into it and instead of making himself proud and feel self worth and provide for his future as most people do hes thinking hell to it lets see what handouts I can get at 18...and by having a child to me its a way of him making money and gain.

moggylover

Shadow919 wrote: »

Ok yours has been the best reply... so here you go...

I am currently working at JD Wetherspoons and hoping to have saved around £3000 for when the baby comes around. So yeah dont slate me for a few questions i ask, i came here for advice... If you can't give it me, perhaps because you dont know yourselves?

Anyways i will be paying rent if need be and i have spoke to my manager at work and she would allow me to go full time if i so wished and therefore i would then choose to go private.

We are certain of a baby as we believe it to be the next step, we are engaged and were her family to know i wouldn't be on here as her mom went through the same thing at the same age.

Secondly there is no need to criticise my grammer as it is not an English forum, correct?

She is at college not school so when the baby does come around she will be 17, she is legal of any decision she makes as if i am right in what i think then at 16 and being out of secondary school you have the right to live where you like or do as you like within the law.

I asked about fee's for perhaps rent etc not uni as i have worked out how much my course would be £3145 a year along with book costs etc that will come to around £200 a year.

I have considered my options while at university and once claiming for everything possible i will not have a need to go into to much debt due to bursaries and the care to learn scheme.

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I have thanked you: not because your post was at all helpful, but because it was the best laugh I had had in ages!

Your attitude is ridiculous and too immature to be even thinking of having a child! The child comes FIRST - and you have no home, no financial stability, nothing at all worth offering that child. You MAY be able to provide it with love: which I agree is important, but if you really LOVE children then you will not even contemplate bringing one into the World until you have somewhere to house it and jobs with which to support it! The biological ability to have a child does not bring with it the human right to do so without the wherewithall to support and protect it.

As to the English: along with many on here I find myself shaking my head when people who are supposedly going to university cannot string together a sensible and cohesive sentence or spell correctly. Your post reads like the ramblings of someone who is barely literate - you will have to forgive those who judge you thus (myself included) but I think you will find that this will happen throughout life if you are incapable of communicating and that many employers would not even bother to look at the degree you have if you could not string together a gramatically decent approximation of the English language.

parisjordana

zoezoe wrote: »

I just have no idea why so many posters have accused the OP of so many things without knowing the full facts. People seem to have made up their mind about how these people will live their lives.

I think more to the point the op has made his mind up how he and his GF will live their lives hence the reason he came on here stating not to stop him and put him off as his mind was made up,all these posters are doing zoezoe is trying to help him and stop him doing something silly and helping him by saying have a life first like the other poster TORBRUK said live a little then make plans....we are all helping him in the long run but he cant see that now till its to late.