Are we as a society basically broken?

Gangstabird

carolt wrote: »

Could you not just shout at him and promise removal of everything he values in the world?

When I tell my kids off, they know I mean business. And I am not in the tiniest bit embarrassed about what anyone else might think about it. Usually works.

It's disdainful because everyone elses kid is being alright at 'that moment'. Was are all in the business of taking our kids aside and threatening them with 'death and slow torture by tickling', but it doesn't work. Not with little ones.

And no, I wouldn't shout as it's considered 'social death' if you do. However when DS had his 5th birthday party last week and I did the entertainment. I had a whistle, and a Gob. It seemed to do the trick.

mr_magoo_5

I live in a small village, fairly immune to most of the incidents that splurge all over our media.
We have a friendly community, local Grammar schools, excellent GP service, plenty of police presence, as we have an MP living nearby. Consequently, this helps to sell houses and keep prices a tad higher round here, so ATM I know I get a good deal, but.
I had never protested in my life but took it upon myself to go to London and march against the Iraq War. I had an amazing day, walking and talking with like minded people from all walks of life.
So coming from my little bubble, the thing that disturbed me most, was the huge number of police standing and staring, ready to pounce as if we were dangerous animals, whatever had they been told to expect?, god knows. Made me think.
I read George Orwell’s 1984, whilst at school many years ago, didn’t mean much to me then, but this prompted me to read it again.
Oh my goodness, it is an uncanny reflection of today’s world, I recommend anyone with the time, to read it, especially as he wrote it in 1949.
Sobering stuff indeed.
Also my peppers are ripening.

dad-of-4

Phirefly wrote: »

Is that really the case on the whole? In another thread today I commented that the kind of anti-social, immoral and unintelligent behaviour being discussed there represented the rule in our society rather than the exception... Thats just a suspicion though. In my personal experience, like tomstickland, most people I encounter are generally decent. My neighbours are all lovely people... should I be counting myself extremely lucky for this 'rarity'?

i certainly think it is the case on the whole, i dont dipute that the vast majority of people are decent. but i think decent people are just as guilty of allowing society to decay, its their lack of unit,y of common purpose & common decency. decent people are just as guilty by adopting a walk on by "not in my back yard" & "pull the ladder up, im allright attitude" turning a blind eye to the decay as long as they're not living in it or smelling it.

we all play our part in societies decay either directly or indirectly.

dad-of-4

Phirefly wrote: »

Is that really the case on the whole? In another thread today I commented that the kind of anti-social, immoral and unintelligent behaviour being discussed there represented the rule in our society rather than the exception... Thats just a suspicion though. In my personal experience, like tomstickland, most people I encounter are generally decent. My neighbours are all lovely people... should I be counting myself extremely lucky for this 'rarity'?

i certainly think it is the case on the whole, i dont dipute that the vast majority of people are decent. but i think decent people are just as guilty of allowing society to decay, its their lack of unit,y of common purpose & common decency. decent people are just as guilty by adopting a walk on by "not in my back yard" & "pull the ladder up, im allright attitude" turning a blind eye to the decay as long as they're not living in it or smelling it.

we all play our part in societies decay either directly or indirectly. yet as long as we refuse to take responsability for it, things wont change and things certainly wont get better.

hethmar

I think you are right there dad. Decent people are in the majority but they are frightened to stand up and be counted. Ive experienced this myself recently with the arrival of a neighbour from hell next door. For 16 years Id fought for this local community, running around for everyone but now I need help, everyone is looking the other way. Its very sobering.

amcluesent

Of course society is broken. Just look at the FACTS!

1) Gym-slip single mums everywhere, dropping their chav at 14 to get a council house and claim every benefit under the sun
2) Chavs running amok, sneering at decent people knowing that bleeding-heart, woolly-liberal, cry-baby social workers will plead for them before the magistrate and they'll get 10 minutes 'community service' as 'restorative justice'. What a farce!
3) The tax-paying white man told to go to the back of every queue until the quota of yer ethnics and women have been filled.
4) Free speech abolished in England as it's 'racist' and 'may cause offence'
5) 200,000 Islamist fifth-columnists amongst us, northern towns abandoned so they can implement Shariah Law
6) Useless target chasing coppers who only want an easy life and a quick £60 fine/tax from a white middle class person who has 'broken' some nonsense law about dropping an apple core.

England is finished. If you can, get out now.

Phirefly

Optimisticpair wrote: »

Hmm, yes, but if you as #1 are ok it puts you in a much stronger position to be of any help to someone else in position #2.

An optimistic twist on a pessimistic view - lordy someone who out-optimisms me... I tend to agree

Gangstabird

How many parents of teenagers are on here though?

How may of you have 12 - 16 year olds.

Come on, Fess up.

hethmar

Not sure what that would indicate Gangsta? Teenagers arent all chavs. My two boys are now out of their teens but they were no great bother to me or to society. In fact both did a lot of voluntary work in their teens.

Notsosharp

amcluesent wrote: »

Of course society is broken. Just look at the FACTS!

1) Gym-slip single mums everywhere, dropping their chav at 14 to get a council house and claim every benefit under the sun
2) Chavs running amok, sneering at decent people knowing that bleeding-heart, woolly-liberal, cry-baby social workers will plead for them before the magistrate and they'll get 10 minutes 'community service' as 'restorative justice'. What a farce!
3) The tax-paying white man told to go to the back of every queue until the quota of yer ethnics and women have been filled.
4) Free speech abolished in England as it's 'racist' and 'may cause offence'
5) 200,000 Islamist fifth-columnists amongst us, northern towns abandoned so they can implement Shariah Law
6) Useless target chasing coppers who only want an easy life and a quick £60 fine/tax from a white middle class person who has 'broken' some nonsense law about dropping an apple core.

England is finished. If you can, get out now.

Are you an example of the man quoted at 3? If so you deserve to be at the back of the queue, women are STILL struggling to gain equal rights, and to me it does not really matter what the heck colour you are or where you come from as long as you are a decent person. Yes there are "ethnic" people out there who are unwilling to do anything but I think there are a heck of a lot more white people out there who just sit on their backsides and expect the world to come to them.

And I live in a Northern town and go to Bradford quite a lot and as far as I know there isn't "shariah law". I think you are blaming the wrong people.