Are we as a society basically broken?

casper_uk

Yes, i would say the majority of people have been living above their means for far to long and there are far to many people who have been made better of living on benefits then working.

treliac

dopester wrote: »

Yes to police, no to abuse of police powers / or government oppression of our freedoms.

Rights, freedoms and responsibilities might need redefining.

Gangstabird

Then bloody build more and offer more for the people working in them. Lots of my colleagues are from the prison service and they all say the same. It's not enough money for what they want from us. You should not have to speak to a long life prisoner more than once in 60 days in my opinion. But the lack of prison staff, sees people talking to really awful prisoners every day. It's hard not to talk to someone you see every day, whether they are a !!!!!! or not.

treliac

casper_uk wrote: »

Yes, i would say the majority of people have been living above their means for far to long and there are far to many people who have been made better of living on benefits then working.

Trouble is we still have huge numbers of children living in poverty despite the benefits system. How is any govt going to lift children out of poverty by 2020. And how does this sit alongside getting people off benefits?

dopester

treliac wrote: »

Hear hear. Better get rid of bureaucracy and endless paperwork first.

(People's lives are already being threatened by the theft of drain covers for a few quid).

What about all the overcrowded prisons though?

Convert blocks on new-builds in certain towns which, some policy-experts have reported, are no longer economically viable for public money support. Even better, get the inmates to convert them. Or many of the abandoned factories and warehouses that some commercial property owners are now knocking down rather than pay a standing tax on..

Or requisition an old decaying town of such an area somewhere up North:

treliac

Gangstabird wrote: »

Then bloody build more and offer more for the people working in them. Lots of my colleagues are from the prison service and they all say the same. It's not enough money for what they want from us. You should not have to speak to a long life prisoner more than once in 60 days in my opinion. But the lack of prison staff, sees people talking to really awful prisoners every day. It's hard not to talk to someone you see every day, whether they are a !!!!!! or not.

P'raps we should ship them all off to the other side of the world. Now that's novel.

hethmar

The pc brigade have brought so many problems upon us. I cant think of any country in the world where outsiders are given so much for so little and where their rights are put before the people of that country.
There will be a backlash sadly.

krisskross

treliac wrote: »

Trouble is we still have huge numbers of children living in poverty despite the benefits system. How is any govt going to lift children out of poverty by 2020. And how does this sit alongside getting people off benefits?

Depends how you define poverty. There should be no child without a home or without the basics of food, clothing and warmth. I think enough money is available for parents to ensure the children all get the basics. Approx. £30 a week is paid in tax credits and child benefit for a 1st child.It is up to parents not to have children thay cannot afford to give a decent life to.

treliac

krisskross wrote: »

Depends how you define poverty. There should be no child without a home or without the basics of food, clothing and warmth. I think enough money is available for parents to ensure the children all get the basics. Approx. £30 a week is paid in tax credits and child benefit for a 1st child.It is up to parents not to have children thay cannot afford to give a decent life to.

Yes, it's more often about lack of personal skills, education and selflessness than lack of money. Our young have been badly let down by the mis-application of human rights and leniency.

It's shameful when you contrast with the real poverty of the third world.

Something is reminding me of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. But it's all gone wrong in Britain.

Gangstabird

treliac wrote: »

Yes, it's more often about lack of personal skills, education and selflessness than lack of money. Our young have been badly let down by the mis-application of human rights and leniency.

It's shameful when you contrast with the real poverty of the third world.

Something is reminding me of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. But it's all gone wrong in Britain.[/quote

I was going to write something but thought better of it and am going to bed. Nite all.xxx