Are we as a society basically broken?

Gangstabird

Actually I want to write more. The people in prison services are paid a pittance for what they do as are the police force.

These people are keeping people in jail who, for obvious reasons do not want to be there. However, bribes are generous as the PO's do not earn a particularly good wage. You cannot be insensitised if you see a prisoner everyday. Of course you will build up a relationship even if you know that he has abused children. You do not see that, you see the person. So if the prison service had enough PO's, there wouldn't be any of that going on. At least the the PO's could treat prisoners with the disdain and disgust they deserve.

dopester

Gangstabird wrote: »

The people in prison services are paid a pittance for what they do as are the police force.

I read prison guards in California are considering strike action - but what can you do when the budget is stretched beyond belief, with measures to try and stop everything disintegrating?

Yes; it isn't a pleasurable job - but it is low-skill labour job. Enough to keep food on the table and, unless you bought in recent years, a roof over your head.

If they don't want the job, there will be many others who will do it for less.

casper_uk

treliac wrote: »

Trouble is we still have huge numbers of children living in poverty despite the benefits system. How is any govt going to lift children out of poverty by 2020. And how does this sit alongside getting people off benefits?

You need to draw a line today, no longer will having a kid entitle you to mass benefits and a free house. If a young single mom is living alone on benefits when they have family, kick them out, stop benefits and make them move in with the parents! If the whole family is on benefits bloody well stop them and make one of them get a job! How many people have kids knowing full well they can't afford them, but it's alright because the government will bail them out?

dad-of-4

all this hate on chavs, single mums, doleys, is just tyical of the "decent" peoples role in the decay of society. get over your selves and stop kicking people when they are already beaten and down.

society is surley rotten to the core when we actualy turn on our own, and so many find it paletable.

dad-of-4

GDB2222 wrote: »

Would religion help? How do you manage that when most people don't believe in God? Some sort of celebration of the human spirit maybe?

people dont believe in religion because it doesnt suit their own selfish persuits, we prefer to make our own moral code to justify the way we live, as we live in such individual ways.

m so glad the muslims got a mention, they are probably the least fractured and broken section of UK society, is it any wonder that such a tiny minority of people in the UK could get so much done for themselves? could it possably be that they have a common purpose, a common cause, an all for one, one for all attitude that gives them the strength to make the changes that they feel need to be made.

dad-of-4

casper_uk wrote: »

You need to draw a line today, no longer will having a kid entitle you to mass benefits and a free house. If a young single mom is living alone on benefits when they have family, kick them out, stop benefits and make them move in with the parents! If the whole family is on benefits bloody well stop them and make one of them get a job! How many people have kids knowing full well they can't afford them, but it's alright because the government will bail them out?

dont you think your taxes that subsidise the benefits are a small price to pay to not have to live that life? do you actualy think its a cushy number?, dont you think we as a society are failing when some of its members feel benefits is all they can aspire to?

do you realy believe your life would be easier, your tax obligation less if we rid our selves of the welfare state? perhaps you can afford to do without state funded education & health care?

exactly how much money do you need to afford a kid in your schieme of things?

SingleSue

In answer to Gangstabird.

I have 2 children within the 12-16 range plus one just under.

In answer to those who have said about the benefit system....yes it is unweildy and some do get things that really they shouldn't. Yes more should be encouraged into work and not make collecting benefits a lifestyle but for every one of those like that, there is others who have found themselves having to live that life due to circumstances beyong their control who are desperately trying to better themselves but are unable to because of lack of decent childcare (or in my case, childcarers who want to take a chance on a disabled child). I would desperately love to go back to work (yep, I haven't always lived this life of being scum) but at each turn, I am knocked down...but like the song, I get knocked down but I get up again...and again...and again.

Hence my sig.

Pobby

The trouble I have about benefits is that I know a number of people who are abusing the system. Not just single mums either. I employed a chap who`s parents havn`t worked for the best part of 40 years. It seems father had some back trouble. Strange that when I had some building work needed to be done father, and a son in law who also was ``on the sick,`` were the first to tender for it!

Max_Headroom_3

Exactly. It's not the benefits system itself that is the problem, but the widespread abuse of it.

And I'll wager that those who chose the benefit system as a "career option" are the ones draining society in many other ways too, be it petty crime, nuisance, whatever.

That's absolutely NOT to label anyone on benefits this way, just those who flagrantly abuse the system and use it as a lifestyle (and we all know people who do, there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of them).

Conrad

dad-of-4 wrote: »

people dont believe in religion because it doesnt suit their own selfish persuits,

Religion is a selfish naval gazing persuit.

1) If I show a needy god I am worshiping him - Ill get a deckchair in heaven. I have'nt even considered that an omniscient God surely is not so needy, insecure and feeble as to need my petty worship when I could use that very time to feed the poor.

2) Iwant to go to another world (heaven) because I hear its nicer than Earth. In other words, Earth is'nt good enough for self important me

3) I'm proccupied with 'me', and cant possibly accept I am temporary. How could 'I', possibly be temporary? Immortality is my destiny surely

4) I'm a believer and worthy, but at the same time I'm greedy and demanding, and I dont like my Henry to play with that child who seems a little rough (I - Conrad know a few church goers just like this - say one thing, do the complete opposite)

5) Im and so self important, I actually think the creator has time just for me to have an internal chat.

6) I rely on science in almost everything I do (I fly, I drive, I use electricity, I rely on the millions of experiments into gases, genes, motion, chemicals), and I turn to science when my loved ones are ill, but I dismiss science when it comes to the really big questions, because, ermmm, they are difficult questions

7) I need someone to stand with me and hold my hand, I cant function alone. I'm childlike in this regard

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