Bankers retraining as Teachers!!

Annpan

Microstar wrote: »

The 'overtime' teachers work is not 'unproven', it is evidenced through marked work, materials that have been prepared etc etc. I know if I visit my sister on a Sunday, at more or less any time of the day, she will be doing work for school.
Very very few teachers earn salaries anywhere near £100k, a tiny fraction of 1%.
If anyone thinks teaching is a good job then I say go for it! If you can't beat 'em then join 'em, plenty of vacancies I believe.
I, on the other hand, know which side my bread is buttered. Wild horses wouldn't get me into a classroom. Teaching is a crap job, end of! And any bankers retraining for teaching will get a very rude shock I reckon. It will be very interesting to see how many take it up.

Teachers outside London are on about £35,000. They get to this level very quickly due to shortages. When my husband started in teaching in the 70's, it took him about 11 years to get on top pay.
Head teachers are on the big pay depending on size of school but they only have to be good at delegating now. They have deputies on about 60K, a bursar on about 40K, a data manager on 35K and a PA on 27K.
The rest of the school is run with the help of very poorlypaid term time only support staff. And, I agree, wild horses wouldn't get me into teaching even though most kids are great, it's just a !!!!! system that stops teachers from teaching. It's all about ticking boxes - and the Head teacher doesn't teach at all in most schools even when there is no supply cover and poorly paid Teaching Assistants are struggling to keep a class under control.

Realy

Microstar wrote: »

The 'overtime' teachers work is not 'unproven', it is evidenced through marked work, materials that have been prepared etc etc. I know if I visit my sister on a Sunday, at more or less any time of the day, she will be doing work for school.
Very very few teachers earn salaries anywhere near £100k, a tiny fraction of 1%.
If anyone thinks teaching is a good job then I say go for it! If you can't beat 'em then join 'em, plenty of vacancies I believe.
I, on the other hand, know which side my bread is buttered. Wild horses wouldn't get me into a classroom. Teaching is a crap job, end of! And any bankers retraining for teaching will get a very rude shock I reckon. It will be very interesting to see how many take it up.

I would say being a head of a bank is not without pressure.
Teaching is a well paid job as all teachers earn over the national wage!
But yes the kids may be a downer.
If it is that bad why do teachers do it! If it is for the love and reward of the job they would be in Africa as the children would appreciate them there.

slummymummyof3

As a teacher, I earn quite a lot less than £30k per annum. I changed profession as the childcare I was paying during holiday periods etc was around £1200 pcm! I am earning far less than I was in my previous profession. I have good job satisfaction in teaching, however, the home school life balance is not great!!!! And nothing really prepares you for that. My earnings are below the national wage for my area. Until you are in teaching, I don't think you are really qualified to comment on our quality of life, whether we are paid well etc - I would like to see the response of many people who were expected to take work home to the extent a teacher does!

pandora205

Just checked teachers pay scales as I doubted the figures being quoted here.

Mainscale starts at £20,607 and leadership at £35,794. It would only be headteachers of large comprehensives that would own over £100k in the state sector.

Realy

pandora205 wrote: »

Just checked teachers pay scales as I doubted the figures being quoted here.

Mainscale starts at £20,607(trainee/first year) and leadership at £35,794. It would only be headteachers of large comprehensives that would own over £100k in the state sector.

Thanks have you got the link?

I am not debating it but they are start of scales (my wife works in LG and they have loads of scales of pay).
No one is devaluing the work teachers do but their are other lower paid job just as hard to do (social workers, drugs workers, nurses, paramedics, teaching assistants, firemen, police person, prison works etc.)
but they are paid less.
Going back to the point of the post why are Bankers training to be teachers if not for the money because if they wanted the chalenge they could do any of the above.
PS why do they keep the pay on teachers jobs hidden?

Most scales are over £40K, So I still maintain most heads of department are well over £40K
http://www.teachers.org.uk/resources/excel/TeachPayScales2008-11-E&W2.xls

pandora205

The scales are on the NUT website here:

http://www.teachers.org.uk/topichome.php?id=143

You are right there are lots of scales and ranges. Few primary teachers would earn £40k with the exception of heads and deputies. In secondary again it would be heads of departments etc. who would have several years experience and additional training.

Realy

pandora205 wrote: »

The scales are on the NUT website here:

http://www.teachers.org.uk/topichome.php?id=143

You are right there are lots of scales and ranges. Few primary teachers would earn £40k with the exception of heads and deputies. In secondary again it would be heads of departments etc. who would have several years experience and additional training.

Sorry I think I found it before you posted.;)

carolt

Any reasonable teacher will put in hours of extra work at home in the evenings/weekends preparing for classes.

As anyone whose child has ever suffered with a really bad classroom teacher will know, the role of teacher is incredibly important to developing children - how happy they are, in general, let alone any academic progress they may make.

As a responsible job, and a graduate job, it should be paid in line with other responsible, graduate jobs.

Train drivers, for example, have a responsible, but not terribly skilled job - I assume their high level of pay is due to the fact that is traditionally 'male' work and is well unionised.

Bankers are usually highly educated, but, as we are all discovering, have been less than responsible. :mad:

No - compared to equivalent work in the private sector, teachers are incredibly underpaid - again underpaid compared to what they earned in relative terms say 30 years ago. Not many teachers now can afford to buy their own home, let alone set up a 700-house BTL empire, these days..... :rolleyes:

And if there are any classroom teachers who are paid 100K, I have certainly never met them or heard of them!

Have no idea where realy got such a bizarre idea from?

carolt

Realy wrote: »

No one is devaluing the work teachers do but their are other lower paid job just as hard to do (social workers, drugs workers, nurses, paramedics, teaching assistants, firemen, police person, prison works etc.)
but they are paid less.

I'd agree that most of those should be paid more too!

Teaching assistants are paid less than qualified teachers because (the clue is in the name), they assist. They don't have to spend hours outside of school time devising schemes of work, marking etc. When they finish for the day, they finish. And they don't need to be graduates, let alone have relevant teaching qualifications.

Would you want your child taught full-time by a teaching assistant only?

No. Thought not. :rolleyes:

Realy

carolt wrote: »

I'd agree that most of those should be paid more too!

Teaching assistants are paid less than qualified teachers because (the clue is in the name), they assist. They don't have to spend hours outside of school time devising schemes of work, marking etc. When they finish for the day, they finish. And they don't need to be graduates, let alone have relevant teaching qualifications.

Would you want your child taught full-time by a teaching assistant only?

No. Thought not. :rolleyes:

No I ment that they take most probably more stick than teachers, and are very low paid. I would not do it now, but if i had to make ends meet for my family "give me a shovel and show me the cow shed."
I just think that people work for money that is all. (I may be cynical, I like my job but would I do it for free? No.)