Bankers retraining as Teachers!!

jamescredmond

Realy wrote: »

Well you would be a great help to society if you would, but I suspect you do not actualy mean that.;)

great idea.

I tell you what: let's all contribute to society by taking less pay.

in fact, let's all work for nothing and create a boming economy!!

I love my job.

that's a lie, actually.

I used to love my job, until the business decided to install a poorly-trained, often unsuitable and disrespectful management team, all of whom believe that it's perfectly possible to perform my (skilled) tasks directly from their desks.

grrr.

Realy

jamescredmond wrote: »

great idea.

I tell you what: let's all contribute to society by taking less pay.

in fact, let's all work for nothing and create a boming economy!!

I love my job.

that's a lie, actually.

I used to love my job, until the business decided to install a poorly-trained, often unsuitable and disrespectful management team, all of whom believe that it's perfectly possible to perform my (skilled) tasks directly from their desks.

grrr.

I take it you did not notice it as sarcastic. Anyone who says they would work for free for the love of the job is stretching the truth a tad. If you worked for free they would do so as they would total freedom in their job if they were not paid.
I am not asking people to work for free but discrediting that people would as I have never met anyone who works for free other than people who work in charity shops.

Microstar_2

Can't believe the drivel written on here about teaching. My sister has been a teacher for the last 20 years. I wouldn't do the job for 3x the pay she gets. Its a thankless and exhausting task. I think those that go into it for the holidays and pension drop out after a year or two. Imagine trying to control 30 15-year olds brought up in an inner city. And then at the end of the day you have their parents come in to complain at you.
Bankers will not go into teaching, too much like hard work and dismal pay.
I wonder how many teachers earn over £100k ? A tiny tiny proportion I would imagine. Most classroom teachers top out at around £34k I believe. There are much easier ways of earning that sort of money, I can tell you!

Realy

Microstar wrote: »

Can't believe the drivel written on here about teaching. My sister has been a teacher for the last 20 years. I wouldn't do the job for 3x the pay she gets. Its a thankless and exhausting task. I think those that go into it for the holidays and pension drop out after a year or two. Imagine trying to control 30 15-year olds brought up in an inner city. And then at the end of the day you have their parents come in to complain at you.
Bankers will not go into teaching, too much like hard work and dismal pay.
I wonder how many teachers earn over £100k ? A tiny tiny proportion I would imagine. Most classroom teachers top out at around £34k I believe. There are much easier ways of earning that sort of money, I can tell you!

We are not saying it is easy but compared to other thankless jobs (firefighter etc) it is well paid.

Microstar_2

Realy wrote: »

We are not saying it is easy but compared to other thankless jobs (firefighter etc) it is well paid.

Firefighting's not really comparable though is it - essentially a 'manual' (although skilled) job for which a degree is not necessary. Comparing apples and oranges I think. My sister has a degree in biochemistry and left a very good job in the pharmaceuticals industry to go into teaching (something which she now bitterly regrets - she'd be a lot closer to that £100k income).

My income is 2-3x that of my sister, and with a good deal less effort and stress. And I wouldn't want to be a firefighter either. Nor most of the other public sector jobs which some people seem to think are so wonderful.
I'm puzzled, if these jobs are so good (pay, pensions etc etc) why there are so many vacancies? There is a big shortage of headteachers and also maths/science teachers I believe. Seems that appropriately qualified people don't want the job because prospects elsewhere are much better.

Realy

Microstar wrote: »

Firefighting's not really comparable though is it - essentially a 'manual' (although skilled) job for which a degree is not necessary. Comparing apples and oranges I think.

Well it depends what value you put on risking their life to save others. I would say that is far more worthy of £100K than a degree. Also paramedics abulance drivers!

dopester

Realy wrote: »

If you worked for free they would do so as they would total freedom in their job if they were not paid.

One day, 30, 50, 100, 150 years from now, when technology has brought about the end of the scarcity economy (money is poverty = betrays a pre-abundant, poor society) - and when we're living 100 feet above the ground in floating moving cities and towns because terra-forming is so bad to the planet, humankind will have to find new purpose to what each individual chooses to do with their lives.

Why not choose to do what you love to do now, and be as happy as you can be, whilst living within you means? Maybe my sci-fi side coming out but I still believe it.

slummymummyof3

As a teacher I do not earn anywhere near £100k, I earn less than £30k. I have a degree and a post grad, I previously worked in another profession which involved 'saving lives' which earned me a higher income than teaching. In my previous career I bought home the 'emotional baggage' of things I had witnessed each day. In teaching, I bring home terrific amounts of work to do in my own time and I also bring home the 'emotional baggage' of the problems that the kids in my class suffer. I enjoy my job but am not just a teacher but also effectively a social worker. It is not just a 9:00 - 3:00 job my any stretch of the imagination.

Nenen

Realy wrote: »

We are not saying it is easy but compared to other thankless jobs (firefighter etc) it is well paid.

Without wishing to get into the 'who is worth more?' debate (I think Microstar is right that you are comparing apples with pears) actually teachers and firefighters have very similar basic pay. If you look here: http://www.fbu.org.uk/workplace/pay/index.php you will see that a trainee firefighter starts on a couple of hundred pounds above the salary for a newly qualified graduate teacher (£20627) and a competent watch manager is on a very similar salary (approx £34,500) to an experienced teacher at the top of the main scale (who will undoubtedly have curriculum responsibilities as well as teaching duties).

On top of this firefighters get paid overtime (teachers have been shown to average over 52 hours work per week and are not eligible for any overtime pay).

A teacher friend of mine left to become a train driver. With his overtime and shift allowances he was earning more than he did as Head of ICT in a big secondary school. His shift pattern and holidays worked out to give him more days off per year than he had as a teacher and he will get a good pension too!

I think the main point is that teachers are not generously paid (as was suggested by an earlier poster) compared to many graduates. I love teaching (despite the fact that it has got increasingly bogged down in paperwork and become more difficult and stressful over the 27 years I have been doing it) but I certainly don't think I am paid too much! If I had a sudden 'windfall' and no longer needed to earn money, I like my job enough to do it voluntarily for two or three days per week but, as I'm not in that situation and need to support my family, I'll continue to earn my salary when I return to my job after completing my masters next year.

dopester

Nenen wrote: »

I think the main point is that teachers are not generously paid (as was suggested by an earlier poster) compared to many graduates. I love teaching (despite the fact that it has got increasingly bogged down in paperwork and become more difficult and stressful over the 27 years I have been doing it) but I certainly don't think I am paid too much!

Fine.

That, however, does not stop the fact the government has plunged itself into hundreds of billions of pounds of extra debt in the last 12-15 months.

It doesn't stop the fact that business is hurting in almost every sector, with rising unemployment, banks going under, companies going bust, and others reporting of difficult trading environment.

You might think you don't get paid too generously. Give it 2 or 3 years and I think you will be educated that teaching jobs can be lost and pay can be cut. The public purse will have to shrink in spending.