Bankers retraining as Teachers!!

treliac

dopester wrote: »

Fine.

That, however, does not stop the fact the government has plunged itself into hundreds of billions of pounds of extra debt in the last 12-15 months.

It doesn't stop the fact that business is hurting in almost every sector, with rising unemployment, banks going under, companies going bust, and others reporting of difficult trading environment.

You might think you don't get paid too generously. Give it 2 or 3 years and I think you will be educated that teaching jobs can be lost and pay can be cut. The public purse will have to shrink in spending.

So how are the young going to be taught. There are already not enough qualified teachers and too much reliance on an army of 'teaching assistants.'

There must be scope for cutting some of the more bizarre new pc posts like Director of Development for the Promotion of Equal Rights for Zebras, offering £80,000 and a fat and juicy pension. (I saw that one too late to apply)

We're not going to attract the right numbers of good graduates into teaching if they are not rewarded by proper levels of pay and some respect in the classroom. Then where will the future be for our young?

IT_nerd

History teachers I hope! I don't want this happening again!

dopester

treliac wrote: »

So how are the young going to be taught. There are already not enough qualified teachers and too much reliance on an army of 'teaching assistants.'

There must be scope for cutting some of the more bizarre new pc posts like Director of Development for the Promotion of Equal Rights for Zebras, offering £80,000 and a fat and juicy pension. (I saw that one too late to apply)

We're not going to attract the right numbers of good graduates into teaching if they are not rewarded by proper levels of pay and some respect in the classroom. Then where will the future be for our young?

One of the news quotes I gave on page 1 of this thread should give you a clue:

Glasgow City Council has already been criticised by teachers' unions for replacing nursery teachers with nursery nurses, who are paid less and although well-trained do not hold teaching degrees.

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Councils-replacing-teachers-with-nurses.4536301.jp

All the qualifications mean very little when there is not enough money to go around, and there are vast numbers of unemployed, also on reduced benefits.

Even the retired can be put to good use for extra pocket money. And expect discipline to increase. Any kids disrupting lessons or school won't be pampered to like they are now - but suspended / expelled.

It is like after Sputnik shocked the USA. They thought they were rulers of the world and looked at USSR as some backward peasant/farming society, until USSR stunned the nation by launching a satellite which circled the earth.

All the big flashy whalefin cars quite rapidly got phased out for less flashy, more conservative styles and education in schools got a lot more focused on sciences and maths.

An economic downturn of the type we are entering has megapolitical repercussions.

meester

I worked with a banker who used to be a teacher (a typical Guardian-reading muesli muncher) in inner-city London, but both he and his wife gave up teaching because the kids were so horrible, he became a banker, she a housewife.

He makes much more now, though his discounted share purchases are now worth much less than he paid for them.

Realy

meester wrote: »

I worked with a banker who used to be a teacher (a typical Guardian-reading muesli muncher) in inner-city London, but both he and his wife gave up teaching because the kids were so horrible, he became a banker, she a housewife.

He makes much more now, though his discounted share purchases are now worth much less than he paid for them.

I would say he was not the average teacher then! (or they would all do it). You do not get given a great job you have to work hard for it which he must have done.

Realy

Nenen wrote: »

A teacher friend of mine left to become a train driver. With his overtime and shift allowances he was earning more than he did as Head of ICT in a big secondary school. His shift pattern and holidays worked out to give him more days off per year than he had as a teacher and he will get a good pension too!
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The average head of IT (at a secondary school) gets well over £40K (I deal with them every day!)
Was he doing a 168 hour week on the trains?
Also you are saying he had to do shifts and overtime to get near the same money (I think hourly rate is more relevent. You could work every hour in the day and earn £100K but you would be dead fairly quick)

Realy

Forget it I might join them.:rolleyes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7646774.stm

Nenen

Realy wrote: »

The average head of IT (at a secondary school) gets well over £40K (I deal with them every day!)
Was he doing a 168 hour week on the trains?
Also you are saying he had to do shifts and overtime to get near the same money (I think hourly rate is more relevent. You could work every hour in the day and earn £100K but you would be dead fairly quick)

He did not have to do overtime to get the same money... see this report in the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/mar/19/transport.tradeunions ) about a proposed train drivers strike when they were offered a 4.5% pay deal (a lot more than teachers I might add) last March....
"Hundreds of drivers with the Aslef union have rejected a 4.5% pay offer and plan to strike from March 31 to April 3...
The company said the proposed wage increase would give drivers working in the London area a basic salary of £40,447 for a 37-hour, 4.4-day week.

His pay was considerably more with a some overtime that still meant he worked less hours per week than he did teaching!

Realy

Nenen wrote: »

He did not have to do overtime to get the same money... see this report in the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/mar/19/transport.tradeunions ) about a proposed train drivers strike when they were offered a 4.5% pay deal (a lot more than teachers I might add) last March....
"Hundreds of drivers with the Aslef union have rejected a 4.5% pay offer and plan to strike from March 31 to April 3...
The company said the proposed wage increase would give drivers working in the London area a basic salary of £40,447 for a 37-hour, 4.4-day week.

His pay was considerably more with a some overtime that still meant he worked less hours per week than he did teaching!

Sorry the after hours work of teachers is unproven that is why they do not get overtime (as it is usualy at home)
Also are you trying to say the average head of IT in a London secondary is less than £40K.
Sorry mate I work with them and the average nationwide is more than that nevermind london.
To get an idea what head teachers earn take a look at this 2004 article.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/education/s/138/138279_is_any_head_teacher_worth_103914.html

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Realy wrote: »

Sorry the after hours work of teachers is unproven that is why they do not get overtime (as it is usualy at home)
Also are you trying to say the average head of IT in a London secondary is less than £40K.
Sorry mate I work with them and the average nationwide is more than that nevermind london.
To get an idea what head teachers earn take a look at this 2004 article.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/education/s/138/138279_is_any_head_teacher_worth_103914.html

The 'overtime' teachers work is not 'unproven', it is evidenced through marked work, materials that have been prepared etc etc. I know if I visit my sister on a Sunday, at more or less any time of the day, she will be doing work for school.
Very very few teachers earn salaries anywhere near £100k, a tiny fraction of 1%.
If anyone thinks teaching is a good job then I say go for it! If you can't beat 'em then join 'em, plenty of vacancies I believe.
I, on the other hand, know which side my bread is buttered. Wild horses wouldn't get me into a classroom. Teaching is a crap job, end of! And any bankers retraining for teaching will get a very rude shock I reckon. It will be very interesting to see how many take it up.