Bankers retraining as Teachers!!

wymondham

I find this quite alarming ..... I wonder what scam they can deal on the kids? - swindle pocket money, investment tuck shops... not sure I want people like this with my kids!! (this is aimed at the corrupt bigwigs, not at any poor soul who has a 'soul')

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7637044.stm

I would have thought the priesthood would be a more appropriate change of career!

I can't get the sketches from Armstrong & Miller out of my head!!! (Language is a bit fruity!)
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=armstrong+and+miller+teacher&search_type=&aq=2&oq=armstrong+and+miller

baby_boomer

Maybe they can do something to put right the country's appalling grasp of personal finance issues and give us Maths teachers who know something about Maths?

There's penance enough in that, without them needing to preach to us about morality .

dopester

Funding for public schools and teachers' pay levels are unlikely to escape the downward and deflationary pressures on the economy.

I just checked and it is beginning to play out like I expected in areas where budgets are under pressure. Some schools will be abandoned.

How much do teachers need or deserve to be paid with an economy under severe pressure? My own mother went to a convent school run by nuns and I doubt that cost much.

I'm not suggesting that for all kids. Children deserve quality education but the pricing of it can and will be reduced in-line with public monies available.

Best teachers lecturing by syndicated telepresence in schools and universities, opening opportunities to entrepreneurs in the need to reduce and save on costs.

Head-Teachers get £100,000 minimum I'm (unreliably) informed.

Experienced teachers are also generously paid.

Where is the money going to come from for this to continue?

School cuts detailed in proposals

Monday, 11 August 2008 14:12 UK

The full scale of budget cuts facing Aberdeen secondary schools has emerged in a confidential report to councillors.

Class sizes getting bigger, the number of teachers falling and less choice of subjects on the curriculum are among the proposals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7553435.stm

Councils replacing teachers with nurses to cut school costs

Published Date: 29 September 2008

COUNCILS across Scotland have been cutting the number of nursery teachers they employ in a bid to save cash.

Education and schools generally form the largest part of council budgets so when local authorities face financial issues, such as Aberdeen and Glasgow, it is an area vulnerable to cuts.

Glasgow City Council has already been criticised by teachers' unions for replacing nursery teachers with nursery nurses, who are paid less and although well-trained do not hold teaching degrees.

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Councils-replacing-teachers-with-nurses.4536301.jp


It is happening all over. The public money to finance schools and stuff at current costs just isn't or won't be there. Get it?

Major School Cuts Follow $900M DOE Shortfall
Public Schools Face $70M In Cuts

POSTED: 5:21 pm HST September 24, 2008
UPDATED: 8:44 pm HST September 24, 2008

HONOLULU -- The schools superintendent went on TV Wednesday in a live broadcast to tell schools and the community about budget cuts she is proposing.

The cuts are some of the most serious financial slashing to public schools in recent history and include cuts up to $70 million. Schools said the proposed budget cuts come at a terrible time when the Department of Education this year has already cut $20 million from its budget.

In her broadcast, Department of Education Superintendent Pat Hamamoto said the governor has asked all state departments to make cuts from 5 to 10 percent to deal the state's projected $900 million shortfall. Public education, one of the biggest departments, must make the big cuts.

“It is not a crisis yet, but it is something it is very serious -- it is intense. We are looking to trim or reduce our budget,” said Hamamoto.

Hamamoto said proposed cuts include eliminating some professional development classes and workshops for teachers and will also cut back on school materials and supplies. Another consideration is to close down some schools with fewer than 400 students.

http://www.kitv.com/news/17552258/detail.html

Could Wall Street turmoil be putting NY budget at risk?

Syracuse, New York (WSYR-TV) - The New York State budget is perhaps the one that's going to be affected the most of all 50 states due to the failure to approve the bailout. That's because 20 percent to 28 percent of our revenue comes from Wall Street.

The question now is - what'll happen to schools, towns, villages, cities and counties, all of which rely heavily on state money?

That's a real concern that people are feeling as they watch everything unfold in Washington. Some schools in our area get up to 80 percent of their funding from the state.

http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=e78ab38f-6a35-4351-baf6-47cf10bc0892

Prudent

dopester wrote: »

Head-Teachers get £100,000 minimum I'm (unreliably) informed.

Experienced teachers are also generously paid.

Yes your source isn't giving you reliable information. The HT of the school I teach at does a really high pressure job. Last week she was starting on paperwork at 4am because of the excessive workload. It is not uncommon for our management to leave school at 8pm, taking work home. With some events its later. The HT earns £46,000. As a nation, we are having real problems recruiting HTs.


Many experienced teachers are not generously paid.

I think most of us are very grateful for job security in current times. It comes at a price to us of long hours and high demands.

I don't moan about my salary. I am thankful to be in a job just now which I love. I put in long hours because I have a very special class. I am also thankful I am a true MSER as it makes my salary stretch. I often use my own money to finance things for my class.

Within education there are small pockets of riduculous wages. I know of an HT who earns £120,000 plus bonuses and has 18 pupils. But his school is private, charging the state excessive amounts for accomodating our troubled youngsters. His bonuses are as obscene as a city banker. But you will not find these figures in state schools.

baby_boomer

Prudent wrote: »

The HT of the school I teach at does a really high pressure job. Last week she was starting on paperwork at 4am because of the excessive workload. It is not uncommon for our management to leave school at 8pm, taking work home. With some events its later. The HT earns £46,000. As a nation, we are having real problems recruiting HTs.

We are. It's an impossible job. They might be awake enough to do it if the government cut back on pointless targets & endless red tape, which is always changing, so that heads can get on with their real job of running a school :idea: rather than jumping through government set hoops.

This would also free up a shedload of money if the "administrators" who invent these ridiculous hoops were given the push. Many of these people set the "rules" for heads but would run a mile when faced with a group of 21st Century 15 year olds.

dopester

Prudent wrote: »

Yes your source isn't giving you reliable information. The HT of the school I teach at does a really high pressure job.

OK I just checked the:
School Teachers' Pay and Conditions Document 2008 (STPCD)

And it is full of detailed complexity - which I can understand is partially necessary for people who work with children, but most of it is about the money, and in parts OTT.

223 pages long !

6.3 An assistant head teacher must be paid such salary based upon the
leadership group pay spine set out in sub-paragraph 4 as the
relevant body determines in accordance with paragraph 15.

6.4 The pay spine for members of the leadership group is-

Nothing under £35,794, and tops out at £107,192

Although there are exceptions for head teachers who are not subject to 2002 Regulations or the 2006 Regulation.

Sadly all that bureaucracy on salaries is not going to alter the fact I can hear the bottom of a barrel being scraped for public funds for schools and education.

withabix

So the idiots who have ruined the country by gambling recklessly with our money are now going to ruin our children's educations....

God help us!

dopester

Prudent wrote: »

Last week she was starting on paperwork at 4am because of the excessive workload. It is not uncommon for our management to leave school at 8pm, taking work home. With some events its later. The HT earns £46,000. As a nation, we are having real problems recruiting HTs.

Many experienced teachers are not generously paid.

I think most of us are very grateful for job security in current times. It comes at a price to us of long hours and high demands.

I don't moan about my salary. I am thankful to be in a job just now which I love. I put in long hours because I have a very special class. I am also thankful I am a true MSER as it makes my salary stretch. I often use my own money to finance things for my class.

Was it always so difficult and consuming being a teacher or head-teacher?

I don't think it was as heavy going for teachers when I was at school.

I'm not knocking what you do btw. Just pointing out possible budget constraints on the horizon.

The problems recruiting HTs is because of the workload then. Maybe there is room for it all to be simplified.

Kez100

I suspect much of the evening work is meetings - Governors, departs, senior leadership and then the odd ones that happen such as open evenings and parents evenings. There os aolethora of extra paperwork too. Quite how difficult that is I don;t now but soemone in the senior leadership has to do it.

J know of two deputies who would make great heads but they are family people as say the extra demands are not worth the extra salary (whatever that is I've no idea)

slipthru

dopester wrote: »

Head-Teachers get £100,000 minimum I'm (unreliably) informed.

Nope that bit is most definitely true of the school i work at, the last 2 have earned over that.

Oh and think of the pension they will receive when they retire.

amcluesent

>they are family people as say the extra demands are not worth the extra salary<

It's quite clear that for England to survive the depression, we'll need to sweep away perhaps 1,000,000 'jobs' which are nothing more than make-works where public-sector numpties are 'parked', the petty bureaucrats, pen-pushers, 'elf'n'safety nazis, the 'umin rights hand-wringers, the diversity inspectors etc. etc. If you only produce paperwork, you're not needed now our backs are against the wall.