Parking ticket in Asda car park - Is this legal, can they take me to court?

Tim_Deegan

ckerrd wrote: »

Remember - there are no rules to be broken.

If you read the many and various parking threads you will see that the PPCs do lie, do use scare tactics and do try to frighten people into paying.

Yes there are the rules set by the land owners. Just as if you owned land then you could decide if people were allowed to park on it and where.

You can't tar all PPC's with the same brush.

ben500

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

So at the moment you are able to walk without aid from the other side of the car park, so you don't take up the limited disabled parking spaces.......well good for you. I could actually use the P&C spaces when I have my son with me, but I don't because he is quite able to walk, so I leave those spaces for those who have prams and car seats, and need the extra space to open the door far enough.

One day however, you may be in the situation where you need a wheelchair and the extra space to open the door. So you may then need to park in dissabled spaces. And you wouldn't want them full of people who don't need them would you?

As I said in my post I don't give a hoot if they are occupied, they are a concession not a right, if none are available I will have to make do with the nearest appropriate space, in any event I would still be invoiced for having the audacity not to display the disabled flag, any disability I have is mine and mine to overcome, the onus should not be on the rest of the able bodied community to accomodate my every whim. Like I said previously ppc have not the slightest concern for the disabled they are quite happy to extort money from anyone who has it irrespective of their ability to function or their level of mobility.

ben500

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Yes there are the rules set by the land owners. Just as if you owned land then you could decide if people were allowed to park on it and where.

You can't tar all PPC's with the same brush.

Why can't you? They tar all motorists they target with the same brush.

trisontana

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Yes there are the rules set by the land owners. Just as if you owned land then you could decide if people were allowed to park on it and where.

You can't tar all PPC's with the same brush.

But you cannot arbitrarily punish people if they break those rules. That's called taking the law into your own hands, or even vigilantism.

This is what a law document in Jersey has to say about car-clamping:-

Wheel clamping is an arbitrary punishment imposed by a private organisation without due legal process or a right of appeal. The law does not permit one person to punish another. Punishment is a right reserved to the State.

The same goes for private parking charges that bear no relationship to the actual loss suffered by the land owner.

getmedebtfreeplease

ckerrd wrote: »

Why not stick a bollard on your land to stop people?

Why should I have to?? If someone chooses to ignore the signage then I will choose to make it as inconvenient as possible to remove their car.

What allows you to issue parking tickets? (Just out of interest)

I have signed up to a scheme that allows me to issue them, I've issued 9 so far, 4 were challenged, and 1 even went to court.
All 9 were paid, the one that went to court cost the offender over 300 quid in the end.
It all depends on the wording on the warning sign.

The moral of the story is, If you don't behave as you should then don't be upset at the consequences.

Simple innit???? :D:D

Driver8

getmedebtfreeplease wrote: »

I have signed up to a scheme that allows me to issue them, I've issued 9 so far, 4 were challenged, and 1 even went to court.
All 9 were paid, the one that went to court cost the offender over 300 quid in the end.
It all depends on the wording on the warning sign.

The moral of the story is, If you don't behave as you should then don't be upset at the consequences.

Simple innit???? :D:D

What scheme have you signed up to to issue so called tickets? Prove that a case went to court. Until the time you can prove anything i will call you a liar. Simple innit !!

Tim_Deegan

ben500 wrote: »

Why can't you? They tar all motorists they target with the same brush.

Only the ones who break the land owners own rules.

trisontana

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Only the ones who break the land owners own rules.

If those "rules" are broken what do you suggest that land owner can do about it without breaking the law?

Tim_Deegan

trisontana wrote: »

But you cannot arbitrarily punish people if they break those rules. That's called taking the law into your own hands, or even vigilantism.

This is what a law document in Jersey has to say about car-clamping:-

Wheel clamping is an arbitrary punishment imposed by a private organisation without due legal process or a right of appeal. The law does not permit one person to punish another. Punishment is a right reserved to the State.

The same goes for private parking charges that bear no relationship to the actual loss suffered by the land owner.

Most of us aren't in Jersey.

If you own land, and decide that as a business that you would like to charge for parking on that land. And that you display signs that are worded correctly, then why shouldn't you be able to set the rules for anyone using that service? Otherwise what's the point in owning the business in the first place?

Tim_Deegan

trisontana wrote: »

If those "rules" are broken what do you suggest that land owner can do about it without breaking the law?

They are legally allowed to clamp the vehicles, and then charge for release. It seems that the supermarkets don't want to go down the road of clamping, so instead the allow the PPC's to invoice the offender.

If you don't want to abide by the land owners rules, then don't use their service.