Zoom Airlines is in administration: How to get your money back 29 August 2008 at 12:47PM in Overseas holidays & travel planning 191 replies 40.1K views

Prudence101

Just wondered if you ahve heard anything from the bank regarding your Chargeback application?? I did ours yesterday and the BM said we would hear in 48 hours.



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Originally Posted by Prudence101
I seem to have a provisional success story to report. I saw a Natwest branch manager today with a copy of my e-ticket, my bank statement, and a print out of the Mastercard policy (page 477 of http://www.mastercard.com/us/wce/PDF...anual_5_08.pdf). I said that I wished to initiate the chargeback procedure and cited reason 4855.

He printed and completed a Maestro Chargeback form, taking my debit card details and the transaction details. On the form he cited Chargeback Reason Code 4855. I did not need to do anything.

He said that the form will be sent to the Chargeback team and that they will process the document in the next 2-3 day. The manager stated that he expected me to receive my refund in 3-4 weeks.

I am cautiously optimistic. Thanks to everyone on the forum for their contributions.


Unfortunately, I am no longer as optimistic. Natwest appears to have consolidated their response and are not offering any refunds for Natwest Maestro Debit Cards. The Chargeback team denied the refund that the bank manager put through. I was then advised to contact Natwest Complaints and they were emphatic that no refunds were to be made.

I have now followed the advice of Which magazine Sept 2008 issue (the text is in the middle of the web page linked below[the seventh entry]) and made a complaint to the Financial Ombudsman Service. They have a initiated a procedure for me. I will be claiming, as the article advises, that Natwest is not adhering to 'good practice' in denying me a refund while they pursue the seller's (Zoom's) bank.

I'm sorry to bring bad tidings but I will continue to report what occurs through the FO Service. I imagine that it will now be slow going.
http://www.wrapitcustomers.com/content/chargeback


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savvy

Thanks for reporting that back Prudence, even though it doesn't sound positive it IS still helpful.

We haven't started anything yet as we are still waiting for my eldest and his gf to return tomorrow before we can put a claim in. His gf has all the details that we need to wade through at her house............so lots of bedtime reading over the weekend methinks!

SimbaSimon

Finally got our money back from HSBC mastercard today. Have rebooked with British Airways for next year and its all looking good at last. Good luck to everyone else.

philwar1

I contacted my credit card company(Skycard) who said I was covered under section75 but just needed to send in proof of purchase(as if proof on the credit card statement was'nt enough), I sent in my receipt from Zoom. I recieved a letter acknowledging this but asking for a letter from the administrators personally addressed to myself confirming Zoom Airlines administration.Once in receipt of this documentation they will reassess my claim! I rang Skycard asking why? The reply was that it is 'their proceedure' and they wont proceed until they know from the administrators that they will not be refunding me(contradicting the letter that asks for proof of administration). What should I do?

MSE_Natasha wrote: »

Transatlantic airline Zoom has gone into administration, meaning many could have lost money on tickets purchased for flights later this year or next.

Instead of trying to get cashback through the administration process, which isn't likely to yield much, we developed other techniques during the Farepak crisis.

What is 'administration'?

This means insolvency practitioners have been called in to run each company and get what cash they can for the creditors via selling or utilising the assets. In theory, a business can be kept running as a ‘going concern’ but this is unlikely.

Most likely the insolvency practitioners will simply collect in the assets and try to sell what they can, and then distribute whatever cash remains to creditors. When the money is distributed there’s a priority of who gets any cash, which usually works a bit like this:

• The Insolvency Practitioners (if they didn’t get paid they wouldn’t do the job in the first place)
• Any secured creditors (if they’ve borrowed money that's secured on property/assets)
• Any employees (redundancy pay)
• Everyone else ranked equally (this includes customers, the Inland Revenue etc. and all will be ranked pro-rata)

What does this means in practice?

It means, to be within any chance of getting money back you’ll have to apply to the administrator for it, not Zoom. Any money left after paying the secured creditors and employees will then be split between everyone else that has submitted a claim.

Unfortunately there's only a small chance you’ll get any money back by doing this. If you do it won't be very much and it will take some time to be resolved.

As Zoom has only just filed for insolvancy, details of how to contact the administrator aren't available yet but don't worry; there are more options to get your money back.

Travel insurance often won't help

Unfortunately most travel insurance policies WON'T cover this situation, unless of course you specifically requested it and the provider agreed to include it; but this is a rarity. Yet, it is worth giving your policy provider a call to double check exactly where you stand with it.

Did you book through a tour operator?

If you purchased flights as part of a package with a travel agent that is ATOL protected (this is a financial protection scheme tour operators can sign up to), contact them asap to organise alternative travel arangements. Use the ATOL search facility to check if your tour operator's ATOL protected.

You've a better chance trying the following

As it was quite a well-known aviation company and most ticket purchases were direct via the web, a much better way is to rely on the plastic you paid with.

Were your flights over £100 & did you pay for any or all of it on a credit card?

Thankfully the majority of people, if not all, would have paid over £100 for their flight tickets, and if the cost was charged to a credit card, either wholly or partly, the credit card company is equally liable under Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act.

This means that whatever rights you'd have with a retailer/company, you have with the credit card company also. So here, you have a claim for breach of contract as it's a non-supply of service.

This is a legal protection that credit card companies have no choice about, as when you spend on a credit card, you're effectively entering into an arrangement to borrow (even if you pay off in full) so you get these rights.

How to get your money back

Call up the credit card company and tell it you want to make a claim and specifically state you're doing this under "section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act", though be aware the call centre operative mightn't have a clue what you're talking about.

While hopefully it will be smooth process, as the credit card company should already be aware of the insolvency, there is a chance it'll say you have to contact the company first or claim from it. This is not true.

The law states it is jointly responsible, there is no 'first point of call', you are choosing to claim from it and that is an acceptable decision. If it wants to try and claim from the company in administration, then that's its business.

Be firm but polite and request a claim form. Again, on the claim form state it is a claim under "section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act".

Did you pay on a Visa Debit or Credit Card?

If you paid on a Visa credit card for something over £100, then use section 75 above as that is legal protection and is a legal right.

Yet if you paid on a Visa debit card for any amount, or in the unlikely event you paid for flights under £100 on a credit card, then you have a reasonable chance to get your cash back via the Visa Debit Chargeback system.

Unlike with credit cards, Chargeback isn't a legal protection, but a protection from Visa's own rules. It's effectively Visa's own refunds system. It's designed so that if you pay for something and that order/service hasn't been adequately completed or is never received, or the order is illegitimate in some way, your bank can do a chargeback from the bank that collected the payment.

The crucial part of this is that the chargeback means you're asking for a refund from Zoom's payment processing bank rather than Zoom itself, which is great news, as Zoom has no cash, but its bank does!

Importantly, your bank must request a chargeback within 120 days of you realising the contract won't be completed (not from the date of the transaction), but don't even think of leaving it that long; get the wheels in motion straight away.

How do you do a chargeback?

Quite simply call up your bank, with all the details of the payments made to Zoom (check your statements, if you don't have them, ask the bank for details, but this will slow things down) and ask it to "start the Chargeback procedure" to get you your money back on the basis of "non-delivery of the goods".

At this point it's quite possible the person you're talking to will never have heard of Chargeback. Yet don't let that put you off; this is a legitimate system, and you need to (politely) stand your ground. If the bank says no, write an official letter of complaint and note that you'll be writing to complain to Visa.

Luckily, the more people who try to do a Chargeback, the more likely it is the banks will know the process and proceed.

What about other debit cards?

Banks and building societies are not legally obliged to help but sometimes they do; this happened almost across the board with the Farepak problems.

If you paid via another type of debit card, you could have a go at asking for something similar to Chargeback, but the rules are different and nowhere near as strong. Please click reply to report this if you have any success, so others can benefit.

Are you stranded?

Unfortunately many people will have already travelled out to their destination but have no means organised of getting home.

Firstly, ensure you read the Cheap Flights guide to find the least costly alternative, then compare the price to Virgin Atlantic and British Airways as they're both offering discounted one-way fares to anyone stranded; aslong as there's proof of a Zoom travel booking/ticket.

Virgin Atlantic

Go to Virgin's aiprort ticket desk or call its contact centre for flights between £199 & £249 including taxes & charges fro departures from London Heathrow and Gatwick to either Miami, Chicago, Orlando or LA, depending on the routes available.

Or tickets are available in New York, Boston, Washington, Miami, Chicago, Orlando and LA, back to either Heathrow or Gatwick for between $299 & $399 (again, incl. all taxes & charges). You'll have to act fast to get any tickets as the seats are likely to be grabbed pronto and there are of course a limited number. These journeys must take place before 30 September too.

British Airways

BA's offering half price travel on selected one-way flights for stranded passengers between North America, Bermuda & the UK. Again, you must have proof of being a Zoom customer. If you're in the UK, call 0844 493 0787 or 1 800 247 9297 if you're in the US.

It's also selling discounted fares (though not half price) to those with Zoom tickets scheduled to fly over the coming months.

Claiming back the extra you're forking out

The Financial Ombudsman Service has said there's a slim chance of getting a refund of the extra you're paying on top, under section 75, if you're stranded and have to pay more than your original fare to get back.

However, this will only be applied on a case by case basis and will depend on your circumstances. The best thing to do is keep a record of all your transactions and travel plans and present your case once you've returned.

Lessons to be learned from Farepak & Wrapit

This site, and especially the forum was one of those at the centre of the campaign to get people's money back in Oct '06's Farepak crisis, and only several weeks ago with Wrapit.

Many of the above techniques are tried and tested because of Farepak and Wrapit. If you have time it's worth reading through some of the Farepak discussion to see some of the success stories of Farepack victims and how to coordinate your complaint.

Please report back your experiences below to help others in the same situation.

How to keep updated on the Zoom situation

Any futher info, changes or successes about FlyZoom money back will go in the free weekly MoneySaving e-mail.

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SimbaSimon

philwar1 wrote: »

I contacted my credit card company(Skycard) who said I was covered under section75 but just needed to send in proof of purchase(as if proof on the credit card statement was'nt enough), I sent in my receipt from Zoom. I recieved a letter acknowledging this but asking for a letter from the administrators personally addressed to myself confirming Zoom Airlines administration.Once in receipt of this documentation they will reassess my claim! I rang Skycard asking why? The reply was that it is 'their proceedure' and they wont proceed until they know from the administrators that they will not be refunding me(contradicting the letter that asks for proof of administration). What should I do?

Do you have an email from zoom saying to contact your credit card company? I sent that in along with the receipt from zoom and hsbc were okay with it. The email I got from zoom clearly stated to contact the credit card issuer so I highlighted that fact.

savvy

I've seen that PKF are administrators for Zoom in the UK, but has anyone seen who they are for the Canadian arm of the company??


Edit: Ignore me......... I've found it! With contact details for the creditors

savvy

Don't know if this helps anybody, but I've just come across the Notice of Intention court documents for the Canadian firm, which I've read is in charge of flights from UK to Canada and probably covers most people on this thread I don't know if any of it helps to prove anything for anybody, I'm not in to legal jargon and processes etc.

Notice of Intention

Letter to Creditors and Customers

AlanJenkins2

They[the airlines] should have to put together some sort of a safety net fund,to prevent passengers from being stranded suddenly/without warning..Then if an airline was failing to meet its liabilities,the passengers could fly for say,three weeks,with the money coming from the fund..People due to fly after the 3 weeks were up would have a bit of warning to make alternative arrangements.
It wouldn't stop people from losing money,but it would save them from being stranded at the last minute.

zarjaz_2

My flights with Zoom are in December. I got a letter from my credit card company - MBNA- today, saying that they would not process my claim until "after the service date has passed". They mean that they won't look at the claim until 31st December!

I have to book alternative flights - but need the refund.

Anyone know if this is right?

The VISA press office stated on 12 September [FONT=&quot]“Visa regulations allow for banks, on behalf of their cardholders, to seek financial refdress from the merchant’s bank if the cardholder has bought goods or services that will not be delivered”


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nickimcc

Purchased mine on Virgin One Account Maestro Debit Card - sent in the relevant Maestro chargeback reason (B.3.12 Intra-European Message Reason Code 4855) + bank statement + e-ticket: have now been told by them that if I had made the purchase overseas / in Canadian Dollars,the chargeback code would apply, but because I purchased in GBP it didn't