Bandwith throttling-how to avoid?

Cat695

quite simply your slagging me off because i said IDnet throttle (when they don't so i stand corrected)
and your saying IDnet are brilliant when their obviously not because your paying a higher price for your BB then me.....so you may think not being throttled is a good thing when its obviously not

especially on crappy ASDL

Cat695

Greensprout wrote: »

Cat it seems to me you're here to show off about your connection speed rather than help the OP!

if you bothered to read my first post you would see i was quite help with why he is having slow speeds other than being throttled (which is rarely the case)

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Cat695 wrote: »

quite simply your slagging me off because i said IDnet throttle (when they don't so i stand corrected)
and your saying IDnet are brilliant when their obviously not because your paying a higher price for your BB then me.....so you may think not being throttled is a good thing when its obviously not

especially on crappy ASDL

At last an admission that you are wrong, I note no apology.:rolleyes:

An ISP is not a tin of beans, I pay for a quality service with IDNet, that is my choice, I have used inferior ISP's in the past, I prefer to pay for quality.

I am not " slagging you " off, only correcting your untruthful comments about throttling which you have now admitted were wrong.

weegie.geek

Cat695 wrote: »

especially on crappy ASDL

Talk to an O2/Be customer about their crappy ADSL and your wonderful cable.

You're a zealot, and therefore your opinion means less than nothing. Claiming that your ISP is better than another purely because it offers "unlimited" download amounts, or purely because it has a higher theoretical speed shows how little you know. There's much more to an ISP than delivering data at a high rate and having a flat-rate pricing scheme. If that works for you then fine, but rubbishing an entire technology just because you use a different technology is horrendously stupid.

samhale wrote: »

I was referring to the downloading aspect, seeing as most are seeded from America (I'm talking torrent's here, seeing as that is the main aspect of throttling)
And no not all, but the majority all throttle. The rest just cone the traffic giving priority to people not on Bittorrent.

You can't backpedal and add information to validate your previous opinion. :P

I wouldn't know where most things are seeded from but I'd be surprised if a fair proportion wasn't from France, on OVH's network and whatever network Dediboxes are on. Leaseweb as well, has a fair amount of torrent traffic as does netdirekt's network. I know the Romanians and Portuguese are really into P2P as well.

I was under the impression that encrypting your torrent traffic was a pretty easy way to get around protocol-specific throttling. It obviously wouldn't help with VM's download-too-much-and-we'll-throttle-your-speed thing, because that would limit all traffic, but for ISPs who shape P2P specifically, it'd help, no?

Cat695

weegie.geek wrote: »

Talk to an O2/Be customer about their crappy ADSL and your wonderful cable.

You're a zealot, and therefore your opinion means less than nothing.

you have no idea do you idiot......one of the BIG differences between cable BB and ASDL+2 BB is this:-

the further you are away from the exchange with a phoneline (ie ASDL including ASDL+2) the slower it will be....over 5.5km you won't be able to recieve ASDL+2

so in other words you will have to be right next to the exchange on a ratio of less than 20:1 users to achieve anywhere near 24 meg

cable you can be as far away as you like and still achieve 20 meg with a ratio of 50:1...and not only that cable users will be getting 50 meg within the next year....with 100meg in coming years

So take your ASDL+2 and shove it

Its amazing how people just can't see the bigger picture sometimes...simple minded

weegie.geek

Cat695 wrote: »

you have no idea do you idiot......one of the BIG differences between cable BB and ASDL+2 BB is this:-

I must be an idiot, because I'm still replying to a halfwit troll at 03:40. That's insomnia for you...

the further you are away from the exchange with a phoneline (ie ASDL including ASDL+2) the slower it will be....over 5.5km you won't be able to recieve ASDL+2

And? Much more of the population can get DSL than cable, does that make DSL better than Cable? No, it makes it different.

Anyway, there's no exchange as such with cable, you're copper until the green street cabinet, then copper/fibre optic to the UBR. There's still contention at the cabinet and the UBR, and beyond that, the same as there's contention with DSL.

It's horses for courses. Some people are better off with cable, some with DSL. I wouldn't touch VM's cable, personally. I wouldn't touch Smallworld's either. Just like there are plenty of DSL ISPs I wouldn't touch. Not because they're cable or DSL though, because they're pretty crappy companies, with crappy upload speeds, crappy customer service and not at all well priced for what they supply.

Of course, others might disagree, and that's fine - they can disagree without being offensive. When do the school holidays end...?

so in other words you will have to be right next to the exchange on a ratio of less than 20:1 users to achieve anywhere near 24 meg

In other words you have to be in an area that even HAS cable. Slow DSL is better than no cable, no?

cable you can be as far away as you like and still achieve 20 meg with a ratio of 50:1...and not only that cable users will be getting 50 meg within the next year....with 100meg in coming years

And just what speeds will they throttle you to then? And you say that as if DSL's stuck at 24mbit. You've never heard of VDSL, or the other variants that can provide upwards of 100mbps? And you've never heard of FTTC, which will negate all your points about line length?

The fact is you're siding with a particular technology, which is insane.

So take your ASDL+2 and shove it

Oh my god, you're right. With that statement you've just won the argument. How can I possibly make a point that could compare with you telling me to shove it?

Its amazing how people just can't see the bigger picture sometimes...simple minded

Indeed. The bigger picture is that you're a troll, and not a particularly clever one either.

Cat695

well your showing why cable has an advantage over ADSL+2

Less users mean more speed...plus the phoneline network is WAY behind cable networks hence why this country will not see VDSL for a very long time ( for the normal home user)because the network thats in place is WAY behind and FAR to costly to replace (otherwise we would have just put VDSL inplace like the japs have!!)

and ASDL IS throttled but even when i am throttled on cable i STILL get MORE speed than a ASDL user for the SAME price

so if your going to start firing off about VDSL make sure its achievable in this country first....

Marty_J

I can't get cable in my area, so all your arguments about how great cable is are pretty meaningless to me.

PROLIANT

I am with Virgin Media and I can honestly say I have never been "throttled", I use various protcol daily from IPSEC VPN Tunnels to work of which huge ammounts of data are passed, Music and software downloads etc, it only seems to be a problem for ADSL/ISDN30 and other "Copper Wire" customers.

iviv

I was with virgin media for the past year in the student house (Because someone sorted the internet before I arrived). 5 students eat up any download limits pretty quickly. Switching to Be this year