Housing for pregnant 17 year old

moneysavinmonkey

PasturesNew wrote: »

He's 21. Minimum wage is £4.60/hour. Even easier to not be able to afford to live.

to be fair the job-seekers is similarly reduced so that's less of a consideration. I think the main worry is him losing his council tax/housing benefit etc so he needs to look into which of these would be still availble if he was a low income working parent... still better off in long run to get a job though!

What are the benefit rates?


Person aged 16-17: £35.65
Person aged 18-24: £46.85
Person aged 25 or over: £59.15

http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk/JCP/Customers/WorkingAgeBenefits/Jobseekerallowance/index.html

PasturesNew

Maybe you could set up your daughter/baby in the living room. And stick him outside in the caravan. Settles a few things:
- he won't be having to pay the high rent/council tax where he is
- he's close to the mother/baby
- other kids don't feel he's moved into their house
- he/daughter/baby can enjoy some family time together in the caravan away from the rest of you

Keeps it all under control yet separate and benefits bf immediately to the tune of £420/month less whatever you charge him to stay in the caravan.

~Chameleon~

bubblesmoney wrote: »

aah the new deal meant to save the govt money by getting people into jobs but in actual fact ended up losing the tax payer more money as per the NAO report on the new deal "Helping people from workless households into work" 19 July 2007

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Your name isn't Ted by any chance is it?

Phirefly

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

I thought this was such a lovely comment.

Well I do like to spread my Phirey magic now and again

emsywoo123

I have just read this whole thread from start to end, and although I do not have alot to add, I did not want to read and run.:j
OP, as others have said, I have been hugely impressed by your attitude throughout this thread, and I all I have to say is good luck, I hope you enjoy the grandchild, and that everything is resolved as well as it can be! xx

silverchair

I've also read the whole thread!
Firstly Congratulations, Im sure your new grandchild will be treasured & very well looked after as you seem a caring family.

I think that both pregnant daughter & Bf should try to start working before baby is born. It would mean that there is an extra bit of money when the baby is born. There is no reason why your daughter cant work while she is pregnant. It will also help her to be more careful with her money as she had to work hard for it. For example the baby doesnt need everything brand new.

I know its hard to keep applying for jobs if your application form has been turnt down over & over again & its easy to take it personally. The BF needs to start doing voluntary work to get his confidence up & also give him some experience so that he can put this on his CV while he is applying for work. Im not just talking about charity volunteer work (charity shops etc). But he could look into volunteering in other jobs where they say he doesnt have enough experience yet. It might be good if he volunteers in a local primary school provided that CRB check is done. Then he can see what its like to look after little ones. Also you often have an advantage when there is a job opening. Heres a thought is there an apprenticeship scheme he can go on.

However at the end of the day he is 21 & he needs to want to work otherwise its excuses, excuses.

As for having him live in your home, its up to you but I would be inclined not to. He's an adult & should not be dependent on his inlaws for rent free accommodation. It would also disrupt the whole household & wouldnt be fair on your other children.

I also dont think it would be fair for your other children if they had to change rooms or for your younger daughter to share a room with her sister & new born baby (but I see from your posts you are going to convert the livingroom). Especially as its your younger daughter's GCSE years which are very important. She will also be under a lot of pressure & stressed with the homework load & coursework, let alone all the exams in yr10-11, so I'd keep an eye on her aswell.

Anyway I can see that you are very supportive, just make sure that pregnant daughter & BF dont depend too much on you giving them handouts.

Max_Headroom_3

silverchair wrote: »

Anyway I can see that you are very supportive, just make sure that pregnant daughter & BF dont depend too much on you giving them handouts.

Precisely. I'm afraid that however much you (understandably) want to offer as much help and support as you can, for as long as dear old dad is taking care of it you can be damn sure they will neveer sort it out for themselves.

The welfare state as it exists in this country will never see your daughter living in a cardboard box under a bridge. She's got her baby coming, she's sorted.

I fear that if you don't leave them to sort this one out for themselves, you'll be finding son-out-law sat in your lounge watching Jeremy Kyle every morning for as long as he sticks around, and your daughter in residence till her daughter is 17...

You need to take a step back. Keep the emotional support coming, but leave the practicals up to them to deal with. This is their problem.

Northern_girl_2

I don't have much to add in the way of advice but thought I would share my families recent experiences, which might help.

My brother and his girlfriend recently had their first child at the same age as the OP's daughter and boyfriend. My nephew is well looked after by both parents who have take full responsibility for his future. First grandchild for both sides of the family so he's doted on.

My brother has no qualifications at all (not even GCSEs) but has always had a job since he left school at 16. The job he started on was very low paid but he has kept going and his pay has risen. He works hard even at what could be seen as a boring factory job and as such they have supported his training. His pay has steadily risen with that to a now very decent rate.

Getting any job is a starting point even if it means he is worse off in the short term. Plus he needs to consider minimum wage + tax benefits when the baby is born which will make it well worth working.

My brother has also really stuggled to get affordable accommodation for his family. Bizarrely the benefits they received will be reduced once she leaves her parents home despite obvious extra expenses. Rather than live apart and wait for council housing they have bit the bullet and rented privately, which is a real stretch. They have also had help from the family for the deposit.

bubblesmoney

moneysavinmonkey wrote: »

It is interesting that you can be bothered to remember all these exact figures + facts and type them up in a topic to which they are only tenuously related but you can't be bothered to provide us with the link to verify your claims.

the facts i quoted in the message of mine which u quoted are already linked to in my earlier message, as they are extracts from the NAO report. see my earlier post regarding this. the only thing that was not linked was the recent IPPR report. i have it on my home computer and i was posting from work during breaks as it was quiet at work, hence didnt have access to the IPPR report. there was no ulterior motive in not posting the link.

since u r curious about the report i have googled it and am providing the link here. see this link about britain immigrants and their economic profile. IPPR report 30 September 2007. hope this helps.

u might also be interested in this report on EU migration issues [Floodgates or
turnstiles? Post-EU enlargement migration flows to (and from) the UK. IPPR. April 2008] as some issues have been raised in this thread about it impacting the employment prospects of the prospective SIL

u might also be interested in this IPPR report - Working out of poverty. A study of the low-paid and the ‘working poor’. January 2008. see the report at this link

this report on todays youth problems might be an interesting read for some. see link

u can verify all that i have said in these links and also the link for NAO that i gave in my earlier post. it is easy for some to make baseless comments, but i have quoted the most recent statistics and reports available on some of these issues, so it is a fact based view and not just some prejudiced view.

hope the links help you clarify your doubts and confirm the validity of the statistics i quoted. have a nice day

bubblesmoney

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

Your name isn't Ted by any chance is it?

nope. dont even know anyone called TED. :beer: