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Don't you think you are being a tad hypocritical criticising that site when you yourself are known on this forum as being a spring mattress salesman? Most of the mattresses you sell are sprung are they not?
So tell me, is a mattress salesman who sells mostly spring mattresses going to give out impartial information on a forum? Is a spring mattress salesman going to recommend you buy anything other than spring mattresses, which don't last as long as foam?
As you well know (and most other people in this forum do) I sell many types of mattress including sprung and reflex foam, so your argument doesn't really stand up does it?I get my information from a couple of sites that, crucially, DO NOT SELL MATTRESSES.
And you can be 100% sure that they aren't connected with any manufacturer can you?You must be the only person who thinks springs last as long as foam. The info that's out there says memory foam lasts much longer than springs. Pressure relief and spine alignment is also poor with spring mattresses.
Actually you are very very wrong. Open coil mattresses are similar to reflex foam only mattresses when it comes to pressure relief and spine alignment.
Pocket sprung mattresses are far superior to reflex foam and open coil springs for the same.Yes, I do know there are going to be a few fake reviews on Reviewcentre.com, but the vast majority of the reviews look like they are honest. I haven't come across any reviews that are obviously fake on that site. Most people seem honest reviewing mattresses on that site. I even noticed someone post a review then, a few weeks later, the same person made another review of the same mattress but, very importantly, he informs people it is an update on another review he made a few weeks before. Is this the double review you were talking about? If it was "fake" as you claimed then he wouldn't have told everyone he was reviewing it a second time. I think this is an honest person who wants to help people out by giving an update on how things are going. Calling someone like that "fake" is really sad, in my opinion.
No I was refering to two reviews within two days by the same person for the same product.
I do realise that peoples views on a product may differ form when the mattress is brand new compared to when it is six months old. I wouldn't regard this as fake, I would regard it as an update.Apart from this, you come up with no evidence to show the reviews on there are fake. I'm sure there are a few that slip through the net but, like the example I gave above, most of the reviewers seem very honest. It's a shame you had to resort to making these types of accusations again.
Well that's probably because you can't recognise trends in the reviews. The number of many reviews, and the timing of them is hugely disproportionate towards a couple of companies.0 -
Tim_Deegan wrote: »As you well know (and most other people in this forum do) I sell many types of mattress including sprung and reflex foam, so your argument doesn't really stand up does it?
Over 90% of the mattresses you sell are sprung. Huge conflict of interest there.Tim_Deegan wrote: »And you can be 100% sure that they aren't connected with any manufacturer can you?
Well, I'm pretty sure Which? magazine is not affiliated with any manufacturer. A reflex foam/memory foam mattress was top in both tests they did on mattresses (although I have been unable to find a link to the second test, I believe the same mattress won both tests).
The winner was certainly NOT a pocket sprung mattress.
Springs don't last long. After 1-2 years sprung mattresses start to sag. A reflex foam mattress with memory foam will last much longer than springs, so is much better value. The reviews on reviewcentre.com, despite you trying to rubbish them, confirm I am correct about which is the best.Tim_Deegan wrote: »Actually you are very very wrong. Open coil mattresses are similar to reflex foam only mattresses when it comes to pressure relief and spine alignment.
Pocket sprung mattresses are far superior to reflex foam and open coil springs for the same.
You are confronted with Which? reports that say otherwise, by reviewcentre.com and any number of other websites not affiliated with manufacturers than say otherwise, yet you still can't admit the truth.
The top rated mattress on reviewcentre.com is a reflex foam/memory foam one. It is recommended by 97% of the reviewers and has over 100 positive reviews. It is not a pocket sprung mattress. If pocket sprung mattresses were as good as you say they were, they would have scored higher.Tim_Deegan wrote: »No I was refering to two reviews within two days by the same person for the same product.
I saw a review on reviewcentre.com made by the same person within two days. The reviews were right next to each other and he was not hiding the fact he was reviewing it a second time. I only saw this happen on rare occasions. It could be just an over-enthusiastic customer. You should give people the benefit of the doubt before trashing them.Tim_Deegan wrote: »I do realise that peoples views on a product may differ form when the mattress is brand new compared to when it is six months old. I wouldn't regard this as fake, I would regard it as an update.
Well, that's good to know because that's exactly what it was.Tim_Deegan wrote: »Well that's probably because you can't recognise trends in the reviews. The number of many reviews, and the timing of them is hugely disproportionate towards a couple of companies.
When a mattress gets over 100 positive reviews and only 4 negative reviews then it's foolish to ignore that. I would prefer to take notice of over 100 reviews rather than one mattress salesman on a forum.0 -
Over 90% of the mattresses you sell are sprung. Huge conflict of interest there.
What a really stupid statement.......well over 90% of mattresses on the market are sprung, and for a very good reason............They are far betterWell, I'm pretty sure Which? magazine is not affiliated with any manufacturer. A reflex foam/memory foam mattress was top in both tests they did on mattresses (although I have been unable to find a link to the second test, I believe the same mattress won both tests).
How many sprung mattresses did they actually test in that trial?????
And is that the test that you were slating because it rated Tempur bottom.
Which magazine have actually spoken to me and are actually going to speak to me again before the next trial because they were given wrong information before the last one.The winner was certainly NOT a pocket sprung mattress.
Well what chances would there be when only three were pocket sprung with memory foam, when 12 were reflex foam/memory foam? Not exactly a fair contest was it.
Also the criteria was set up to suit reflex foam/memory foam mattresses, so those with any type of spring wouldn't fair too well (this was another point discussed with Which magazine).Springs don't last long. After 1-2 years sprung mattresses start to sag. A reflex foam mattress with memory foam will last much longer than springs, so is much better value.
Says who???
Any mattress that sags after a couple of years whould be very low quality or faulty. Sprung mattresses that are looked after shouldn't sag after 10 years. However reflex foam does break down and sag.
You really have been reading manufacturers propoganda haven't you?The reviews on reviewcentre.com, despite you trying to rubbish them, confirm I am correct about which is the best.
The reviews on reviewcentre have been discredited on many occasions due to the huge number of fake posts. So don't even bother using it to back up your argument.You are confronted with Which? reports that say otherwise, by reviewcentre.com and any number of other websites not affiliated with manufacturers than say otherwise, yet you still can't admit the truth.
Really???......don't be nieveThe top rated mattress on reviewcentre.com is a reflex foam/memory foam one. It is recommended by 97% of the reviewers and has over 100 positive reviews. It is not a pocket sprung mattress. If pocket sprung mattresses were as good as you say they were, they would have scored higher.
That's because there are companies who have people send in 100's of fake reviews.....it's their pathetic way of marketing, and only convinces the very gullable.I saw a review on reviewcentre.com made by the same person within two days. The reviews were right next to each other and he was not hiding the fact he was reviewing it a second time. I only saw this happen on rare occasions. It could be just an over-enthusiastic customer. You should give people the benefit of the doubt before trashing them.
More likely that they forgot they had just used that identity once:rotfl:When a mattress gets over 100 positive reviews and only 4 negative reviews then it's foolish to ignore that. I would prefer to take notice of over 100 reviews rather than one mattress salesman on a forum.
When a mattress gets over 100 positive reviews, and most other brands get hardly any, it screams fake reviews to most people.
Would that be a mattress salesman who has given 100's of people on MSE good advice even though they had no intention of buying from him???
Now almost all of your posts on MSE have been to try and discredit me. This follows your old identity being kicked out of the forums for being disruptive. I give advice on all types of mattress, but you only preach about one type, that you claim to be an expert about just from reading reviews.
COME CLEAN, YOU ARE IN THE TRADE. It's obvious to everyone else, and you are just making yourself look silly now. And stop trying to cause trouble.0 -
You're being ridiculous. The vast majority of mattresses sold anywhere are sprung.
You work in the trade right? :rolleyes:
I do not work in the trade, friend of Tim.
A simple check on ebay shows the number of memory foam mattresses for sale outnumbers spring mattresses. So it is very likely fewer spring mattresses are sold on ebay than memory foam.
I don't have the figures for other places but neither do you.0 -
Tim_Deegan wrote: »What a really stupid statement.......well over 90% of mattresses on the market are sprung, and for a very good reason............They are far better
Not on ebay. Check for yourself. There are more memory foam mattresses on sale there than spring mattresses.
Does that mean memory foam mattresses are far better?
Tim_Deegan wrote: »How many sprung mattresses did they actually test in that trial?????
And is that the test that you were slating because it rated Tempur bottom.
Which magazine have actually spoken to me and are actually going to speak to me again before the next trial because they were given wrong information before the last one.
In the first trial there were only 4 spring mattresses. But you don't say how many there were in the second Which? report.
If you have a link to the second report, please post.Tim_Deegan wrote: »Well what chances would there be when only three were pocket sprung with memory foam, when 12 were reflex foam/memory foam? Not exactly a fair contest was it.
Also the criteria was set up to suit reflex foam/memory foam mattresses, so those with any type of spring wouldn't fair too well (this was another point discussed with Which magazine).
The pocket sprung ones didn't do any better than the coil sprung one, if i recall.
The rest sounds like excuses to me.Tim_Deegan wrote: »Says who???
Any mattress that sags after a couple of years whould be very low quality or faulty. Sprung mattresses that are looked after shouldn't sag after 10 years. However reflex foam does break down and sag.
You really have been reading manufacturers propoganda haven't you?
No, it was definitely not a website affiliated to a manufacturer.
Would a spring mattress salesman be a better source of information than a manufacturer's website?Tim_Deegan wrote: »The reviews on reviewcentre have been discredited on many occasions due to the huge number of fake posts. So don't even bother using it to back up your argument.
Says who. You?
Hah.
You're a poor source for any information. Post your evidence for your allegations, if you have any.Tim_Deegan wrote: »That's because there are companies who have people send in 100's of fake reviews.....it's their pathetic way of marketing, and only convinces the very gullable.
I'm sure it happens on a small scale but, where is your evidence for this happening on a large scale?
I can normally tell if the reviews are written by salesmen. After all, I figured out your info was one-sided ages ago, so i can't be as naive as you claim, can I?Tim_Deegan wrote: »More likely that they forgot they had just used that identity once:rotfl:
Funny.Tim_Deegan wrote: »When a mattress gets over 100 positive reviews, and most other brands get hardly any, it screams fake reviews to most people.
Several of the positive reviews are from reviewers with rankings on that website. It's highly unlikely they will be fake.
Did you consider that they may have got over 100 positive reviews because their mattress is superior to everyone else's and as a result they probably sell a lot of them?
You made a lot of allegations against reviewcentre.com.
Present your evidence all the reviews are fake or shut up.Tim_Deegan wrote: »Would that be a mattress salesman who has given 100's of people on MSE good advice even though they had no intention of buying from him???
You can't be talking about yourself. Most of your advice has been one-sided and self-serving.
If it wasn't then you would have told people the truth a long time ago that springs don't last as long as foam. They would have been able to buy something that lasts longer and wouldn't have wasted all their money.Tim_Deegan wrote: »Now almost all of your posts on MSE have been to try and discredit me. This follows your old identity being kicked out of the forums for being disruptive. I give advice on all types of mattress, but you only preach about one type, that you claim to be an expert about just from reading reviews.
I have never been kicked out of this forum. I'm surprised you haven't been though after some of the things you said about me in the past.Tim_Deegan wrote: »COME CLEAN, YOU ARE IN THE TRADE. It's obvious to everyone else, and you are just making yourself look silly now. And stop trying to cause trouble.
I do not work in the trade.
I get slandered for telling the truth. Oh well.0 -
I do not work in the trade, friend of Tim.
A simple check on ebay shows the number of memory foam mattresses for sale outnumbers spring mattresses. So it is very likely fewer spring mattresses are sold on ebay than memory foam.
I don't have the figures for other places but neither do you.
Yes you do work in the trade, it is very obvious.
What makes you think ebay is a good guide?
There is a very good reason why so many foam only mattresses are sold on ebay. Because they are usually the low quality ones that are rolled up and vacuum packed, so they are easy to transport via courier. Also many of them are cheap low quality imports from China that would most likely be seized by trading standards if they were sold in shops. Then there are the fake memory foam mattresses that are actually just cheap and nasty reflex foam.
There are also a couple of reasons why most memory foam mattresses are reflex foam/memory foam. Because any idiot can make them. They just take a slab of reflex foam, and glue a layer of memory foam to it, then put it in a cover. For this reason many companies have sprung up to jump onto the memory foam band wagon without actually having experience in making quality beds and mattresses.
Most people I speak to don't like foam only mattresses for the same reasons I don't. However I do still sell them to a few people who do like them (but that isn't many).0 -
not on ebay. Check for yourself. There are more memory foam mattresses on sale there than spring mattresses.
Does that mean memory foam mattresses are far better? :d
in the first trial there were only 4 spring mattresses. But you don't say how many there were in the second which? Report.
If you have a link to the second report, please post.
The pocket sprung ones didn't do any better than the coil sprung one, if i recall.
The rest sounds like excuses to me.
No, it was definitely not a website affiliated to a manufacturer.
Would a spring mattress salesman be a better source of information than a manufacturer's website?
Says who. You?
Hah.
You're a poor source for any information. Post your evidence for your allegations, if you have any.
I'm sure it happens on a small scale but, where is your evidence for this happening on a large scale?
I can normally tell if the reviews are written by salesmen. After all, i figured out your info was one-sided ages ago, so i can't be as naive as you claim, can i?
Funny.
Several of the positive reviews are from reviewers with rankings on that website. It's highly unlikely they will be fake.
Did you consider that they may have got over 100 positive reviews because their mattress is superior to everyone else's and as a result they probably sell a lot of them?
You made a lot of allegations against reviewcentre.com.
Present your evidence all the reviews are fake or shut up.
You can't be talking about yourself. Most of your advice has been one-sided and self-serving.
If it wasn't then you would have told people the truth a long time ago that springs don't last as long as foam. They would have been able to buy something that lasts longer and wouldn't have wasted all their money.
I have never been kicked out of this forum. I'm surprised you haven't been though after some of the things you said about me in the past.
I do not work in the trade.
I get slandered for telling the truth. Oh well.
go away until you can get your facts right.
i've got better things to do than argue with a trouble maker0 -
Tim_Deegan wrote: »go away until you can get your facts right.
i've got better things to do than argue with a trouble maker
Anyone who disagrees with you is attacked and labelled a trouble maker.
Let's look at the facts. The highest rated mattress in two Which? reports is not a spring mattress. The top rated mattress on reviewcentre.com with over 100 reviews and a 97% rating is not a spring mattress. In all these cases, the top rated mattresses are memory foam with a reflex foam base. Post a link to the second Which? report so people can see the truth, I dare you.
Despite all this, the mattress salesman who sells mostly spring mattresses recommends you buy ......... a spring mattress. HAHAHA.0 -
Anyone who disagrees with you is attacked and labelled a trouble maker.
Let's look at the facts. The highest rated mattress in two Which? reports is not a spring mattress. The top rated mattress on reviewcentre.com with over 100 reviews and a 97% rating is not a spring mattress. In all these cases, the top rated mattresses are memory foam with a reflex foam base. Post a link to the second Which? report so people can see the truth, I dare you.
Despite all this, the mattress salesman who sells mostly spring mattresses recommends you buy ......... a spring mattress. HAHAHA.
The Which magazine report was for memory foam mattresses, of which most on the market are foam only for the reasons I have stated.
The review site you quoted is obviously full of fake reviews. This would be clear for anyone with a brain to see.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I SELL ALL TYPES OF MATTRESS?????????
There is no way that anyone who wasn't in the trade would be sad enough to go to the lengths that you do.
NOW GO AWAY AND STOP BEING DISRUPTIVE.0
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