Which mattress? (merged threads)

Tim_Deegan

slipthru wrote: »

Can anyone point me in the right direction of where to buy pegboard, as my bed has slates that are about 4" wide.

Your local timber supplier should sell it. If you can't find peg board then hard board should be ok, but it doesn't have as much ventilation for the mattress.

Tim_Deegan

glitter123 wrote: »

The whole bed buying is a minefield. I want to get a superking bedstead - should I get a sprung one? Is there any advantage to this over the fixed slats in terms of comfort?

I want to get a good pocket sprung mattress too, do I need a special type of mattress for a bedstead? I'm intending to spend about £1000 for the mattress. Hypnos has been mentioned to me by a friend as one to consider.

You really need to decide what type of mattress you want before you can decide on the base.

Hypnos are very good mattresses, but are very very expensive. As I have mentioned before you can get far more for your money if you stay away from the big brands.

Tim_Deegan

jk. wrote: »

Hi guys,

I have been following the various mattress discussions on this site with interest and just registered. I am about to buy a matress myself.

Re the Shakespeare mattress.... I believe Shakespeare may be the same/ sister company of Kozeesleep.

http://www.kozeesleep-beds.co.uk/contact.asp

http://www.shakespearebeds.co.uk/contact-us.php

Tim, thanks for your posts, and lots of free information. Do you think they are one and the same? I've heard good things about Kozeesleep (and so possibly, by association, Shakespeare)

Cheers

Jon

Dear Jon.

It appears that they may be the same company as Kozee Sleep (Midlands), but not Kozeesleep (the two companies were the same but split).

I only actually deal with Kozeesleep, so I don't know if Shakespear are the budget side of the company or not. It appears that they may be going by the prices.

cs95aam

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

They don't make mattresses that are completely memory foam. I presume you mean reflex foam with memory foam on top?

Yes that's exactly what I meant. Reflex foam with memory foam on top.

Does anybody, especially Tim, have any opinions on the Relyon Advanced Memory Foam 1440 (not too sure on the exact number) mattress?

I tried the Reylon Memory Foam Advanced 1250 out in the shop and liked it however the 1440 seemed to be softer and more comfortable. I was told the 1440 has more pocket springs than the 1250. Harvey's are selling the Double mattress for £599.

glitter123

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

You really need to decide what type of mattress you want before you can decide on the base.

Hypnos are very good mattresses, but are very very expensive. As I have mentioned before you can get far more for your money if you stay away from the big brands.

Ah that's interesting, so i've been trying to do it the wrong way around i.e. pick the base and then select a mattress to go on it.

How do you know what is a good mattress without a big brand name? I'm sure the ave4rage person goes by a name they know (and trust?) . I just want to make sure I get value for the money i'm going to spend. Most of the shops i've been in so far seem to major on the well known brands.

Tim_Deegan

cs95aam wrote: »

Yes that's exactly what I meant. Reflex foam with memory foam on top.

Does anybody, especially Tim, have any opinions on the Relyon Advanced Memory Foam 1440 (not too sure on the exact number) mattress?

I tried the Reylon Memory Foam Advanced 1250 out in the shop and liked it however the 1440 seemed to be softer and more comfortable. I was told the 1440 has more pocket springs than the 1250. Harvey's are selling the Double mattress for £599.

This model doesn't appear to be listed on the Relyon web site, but I have found it on a couple of other sites.

From what I can gather it appears to be the encapsulated type of pocket sprung/memory foam mattress. These have smaller springs, and do tend to be cheaper.

As far as the number of springs goes, you shouldn't be too concerned. In the stores they will tell you 'the more springs the better', but this is just a gimmick to get you to spend more. The truth is that more than 800 springs in a king size mattress is enough to do what pocket springs are designed to do. If there are too many springs then each spring has to be so small and weak that they can get damaged easily. I usually recommend between 1000 and 1800 springs.

The only problem I can find with this mattress is that it is non turn, so it won't last as long as a two sided mattress.

£599 does sound excessive. I'm sure that you could find it cheaper.

Tim_Deegan

glitter123 wrote: »

Ah that's interesting, so i've been trying to do it the wrong way around i.e. pick the base and then select a mattress to go on it.

How do you know what is a good mattress without a big brand name? I'm sure the ave4rage person goes by a name they know (and trust?) . I just want to make sure I get value for the money i'm going to spend. Most of the shops i've been in so far seem to major on the well known brands.

The mattress is the most important part of the bed, so you need to get that bit right first.

Please don't be a brand name victim. Many of the large companies use mass production techniques in order to cut production costs. They will also use the cheapest materials possible. They do all this to maximise profits to keep the share holders happy. Of course what suffers with all this cost cutting is quality.

Waht you need to ask your self is why do you trust brand names? Is it because their huge advertising budgets has convinced you that they must be good?
If you read through these threads you will spot one huge group companies who own at least 4 big brand names in bedding. They have huge advertising budgets, but they quality and reliability is rock bottom.

With smaller companies they don't have the huge advertising budgets to tell people that their products are good. So they actually have to prove themselves by actually being good.

Zent

Sorry to drift a bit away from the original post, but: -

Tim –

Many thanks for your superb explanations of beds. Now I understand.

It makes a refreshing change from the world of advertising, where almost everything nowadays is “perfect for” in the eyes of advertising departments, when it is usually anything but…

Any chance you could use your influence to bang together the heads at Kozeesleep Beds, Dewsbury, whose website comes up as wsltd.co.uk/kozee, and Kosee Sleep (Midlands) Ltd, whose website is kozeesleep-beds.co.uk.

Is there a spat going on between them, or is it a very deep marketing ploy? Their beds even have the same names, although the number of pocketed springs appears to be sometimes different. I wonder if some models are made in one factory, and other names in the other factory.

Incidentally both their websites are pretty rubbishy for any potential purchasers trying to sort out the differences between the different beds, but then La Romantica Beds is even worse!!!! Do Chief Execs, or whatever they choose to call themselves, ever check their websites, to see what they are NOT getting for their money?

This forum has influenced me towards their beds, but their websites, with their total lack of explanation of beds in general, and their different beds in particular, have done a good job of putting me off.

I even had to telephone for the name of my nearest stockist (And I think I telephoned the wrong one.) Er, hint – this is 2008, Internet, multimap.

Perhaps “Shakespeare beds” is a move in the right direction, but come on guys –
Romeo – “a bed that’s in a class of its own” - oh yeah!
Juliet – “preserve the support and durability throughout its life” – could hardly do otherwise!
Elizabethan – “adds distinction to any bedroom” – not mine, it wouldn’t. It would be covered with bedding, just like any other bed.

I could go on, but then I shall get as tedious as the writer of this blurb.

So I’ve ordered a bed, but, confused, not the one I intended to!

glitter123

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

The mattress is the most important part of the bed, so you need to get that bit right first.
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But then how do I balance that against selecting a bedstead that I like?Afterall its the bedstead which is going to form the focal point of my bedroom and its all well and good having a fab mattress but if I hate the bedstead.........

When choosing an unbranded mattress how do I (as a consumer, not an expert) know which companies are good and which are mediocre?

Tim_Deegan

Zent wrote: »

Sorry to drift a bit away from the original post, but: -

Tim –

Many thanks for your superb explanations of beds. Now I understand.

It makes a refreshing change from the world of advertising, where almost everything nowadays is “perfect for” in the eyes of advertising departments, when it is usually anything but…

Any chance you could use your influence to bang together the heads at Kozeesleep Beds, Dewsbury, whose website comes up as wsltd.co.uk/kozee, and Kosee Sleep (Midlands) Ltd, whose website is kozeesleep-beds.co.uk.

Is there a spat going on between them, or is it a very deep marketing ploy? Their beds even have the same names, although the number of pocketed springs appears to be sometimes different. I wonder if some models are made in one factory, and other names in the other factory.

The owners of both companies are actually cousins. No there isn't a marketing ploy, they actually fell out. From what I am told the original Kozeesleep is the one in Dewsbury, and they are also the largest of the two. The two companies have actually renamed some of their models, but I suppose out of just being plain stubborn they have both continued to use the same name for some of the more popular models.

Zent wrote: »

Incidentally both their websites are pretty rubbishy for any potential purchasers trying to sort out the differences between the different beds, but then La Romantica Beds is even worse!!!! Do Chief Execs, or whatever they choose to call themselves, ever check their websites, to see what they are NOT getting for their money?

Zent wrote: »

This forum has influenced me towards their beds, but their websites, with their total lack of explanation of beds in general, and their different beds in particular, have done a good job of putting me off.

I think you will find that many of the manufacturers web sites leave a lot to be desired (except maybe for the huge brand names with the big budgets). The reason for this tends to be because manufacturers don't tend to sell to the public, so they leave consumer marketing for the outlets. You will often find that manufacturers web sites are very out of date, and don't show the more up to date models.

So what did you go for in the end?

Oh I forgot to mention. Kozeesleep's (dewsbury) web site actually comes up as http://www.kozeesleep.co.uk/ which then obviously diverts to their web developers server, hence the wsltd.co.uk/kozee.