Which mattress? (merged threads)

Tim_Deegan

Hackneyed wrote: »

OK,I have now been down to the showroom of the local manufacturer where I live in London and have come away pretty impressed. They really seem to know what they're talking about and the quality seems pretty good. Of course it's difficult to know whether one type of springs are going to be so much better than those of another make, but at some point you have to just rely on what the pros say to you because there's no way to research it.

ANyway, the mattress I am thinking of plunging for is the one denoted '1088' on this link here

Contrary to the name it has spring count of 1200 rather than 1088 and it's firm. Other than that it's hand made, has springs from a supplier in Yorkshire, has wool in it, has a nice cotton cover (unlike some of the ghastly covers I've seen on other mattresses the last few days)

Some more info about the mattresses they make is found here

So, for my peace of mind it would be very nice if certain people here could comment on the mattress + the credibility of the marketing blurb on their website - you know who you are ;-)

:beer:

They seem like my type of manufacturer "Straightforward and gimmick free Other manufacturers use gimmicks that add greatly to the cost of their mattresses but which do not improve the quality, and some which actually reduce quality and durability. These include single sided ‘no turn’, or ‘summer and winter’ sided mattresses; minuscule quantities of cashmere, silk and mohair; elaborate covers; puffy foam and synthetic fillings, double layers of springs etc..."

Most of the bed industry in the UK is based in the Yorkshire/Lancashire area. I believe there are around 50 bed manufacturers there, as well as component manufacturers for things like springs, quilting etc...

You will also find that most independent manufacturers hand make their beds and mattresses.

The pocket springs are more likely to be medium to firm rather than firm as they say that they are 16 gauge. Pocket springs would be too firm to contour properly if they are any firmer.

The only down side to them is the 'London prices', as they appear to be double the price of the equivalent made in the Yorshire/Lancashire area.

Tim_Deegan

I've just been reading a bit more from their site:

It says that all their mattresses are 8 1/2" deep. Well when you consider that apart from the cheaper glued type, most pocket springs are about 6" long, so 8.5" only allows 2.5" for quilting. A 10" deep mattress will have the same size springs, but more quilting.

They also appear to be falling into the same trend as some other manufacturers by saying that they are suitable for slats with up to 2.25" gaps (some will actually say they can be used on any slatted base). The truth is that if a spring isn't supported by a slat then it will try to push through the gap, and if it is only partly supported then it can become distorted. So this is why it is best to stick to around a 1" gap.

Also, don't be fooled by the natural fillings thing. Bed bugs prefer natural organic fibers to synthetic.

maryr_3

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

This is taken from the blurb about the mattress in question. I have put my comments in red. I'm sorry if it sounds negative, but this is a prime example of the gimmicks and sales hype often used in the bed industry:

"Spa Sensations™ sleep surfaces have the ability to dramatically reduce pressure points, conform to body shape and provide consistent, comforting support. Just like most pocket sprung/memory foam mattresses The Somnio does just this, the mattress core is made from a unique combination of Theratouch™ memory foam in other words just memory foam and independantly moving iCoil™ pocket springs. in other words normal pocket springs A special 'Quiesco' cushioning layer with an eco-friendly and antibacterial Bamboo cover lies on top. gimmick Mattress Specification: 17.8cm iCoil™ springs which means no motion transfer 4cm Theratouch™ memory foam, 55kgs/m3 infused lower density than the recommended 60 to 70kg per m3, but at the bottom end of acceptable with Green Tea and Charcoal Quiesco Bamboo more gimmicks quilted cover containing 230gs/m3 padding micro quilted cover and 2cm of 48kgs/m3 even lower density Theratouch™ memory foam 1cm high density foam, 38kgs/m3 reflex foam to help stabalise the memory foam Green Tea and Charcoal"


As for your question about how heat escapes from a two sided mattress: most of them have vents in the side, so each time you move the mattress acts like bellows allowing fresh air in to circulate around the spring layer.

Even on non turn mattresses the heat doesn't escape through the bottom of the mattress.

Thanks for your reply Tim.
I realised the tea tree/ charcoal was gimmicky. What I would like to know is, is the mattress a mid range pocket sprung with memory foam?
I know I need a layer of memory foam 2-2 1/2". The blurb on the box confused me as it said " a top layer of 2cm (48kgs) and under that a 4cm (55kgs) layer.
I have ploughed my way through reading the posts on this thread & have learnt so much, thanks to yourself & others. I am looking for a mid range pocketsprung & memory foam mattress for£300 - £400. Is that a realistic price?

Tim_Deegan

maryr wrote: »

Thanks for your reply Tim.
I realised the tea tree/ charcoal was gimmicky. What I would like to know is, is the mattress a mid range pocket sprung with memory foam?
I know I need a layer of memory foam 2-2 1/2". The blurb on the box confused me as it said " a top layer of 2cm (48kgs) and under that a 4cm (55kgs) layer.
I have ploughed my way through reading the posts on this thread & have learnt so much, thanks to yourself & others. I am looking for a mid range pocketsprung & memory foam mattress for£300 - £400. Is that a realistic price?

It appears that they have tried to make a softer feel memory foam mattress. They have done this by using 4 cm instead of the recommended 5cm of 55kg memory foam. They have then used 2 cm of very low density memory foam to give it an even softer feel, but this soft layer can be disregarded as far as support goes. Then they seem to be trying to make up for the cheaper low density memory foam by using high density reflex foam.

By doing the above they should have made a low cost entry level pocket sprung/memory foam mattress. However they have then used gimmicks to push the price back up.

Bou_3

Evening all, I've given myself a headache reading lots of the pages on this thread! But it's so great that everyone here is so nice
I'd be grateful for any thoughts about these :-

http://www.bedstar.co.uk/shop/catalog/Kozeesleep_Pocket_Master_5FT_Divan_Bed-p-24023.html

http://the-bed-shop.com/cupid-medium-to-soft-feel-divaqn-set-with-optional-legs-by-apollo-beds-p-1193.html

http://the-bed-shop.com/emerald-divan-set-by-highgrove-beds-p-51.html

http://www.palatinebeds.co.uk/shop/products/5

http://www.kdbeds.com/m/Myers-Beds/c/Divan-Beds/c/5ft-Kingsize-Divan-Beds/p/Absolute-Luxury-5ft-Kingsize-Divan-Bed.htm


I want a Kingsize, preferably soft as at the moment I'm sleeping on a Staples pocket spring made with all sorts of tralala - sadly it's only a 3'6" hence the need to buy something else!

Tim_Deegan

Bou wrote: »

Evening all, I've given myself a headache reading lots of the pages on this thread! But it's so great that everyone here is so nice
I'd be grateful for any thoughts about these :-

http://www.bedstar.co.uk/shop/catalog/Kozeesleep_Pocket_Master_5FT_Divan_Bed-p-24023.html

http://the-bed-shop.com/cupid-medium-to-soft-feel-divaqn-set-with-optional-legs-by-apollo-beds-p-1193.html

http://the-bed-shop.com/emerald-divan-set-by-highgrove-beds-p-51.html

http://www.palatinebeds.co.uk/shop/products/5

http://www.kdbeds.com/m/Myers-Beds/c/Divan-Beds/c/5ft-Kingsize-Divan-Beds/p/Absolute-Luxury-5ft-Kingsize-Divan-Bed.htm


I want a Kingsize, preferably soft as at the moment I'm sleeping on a Staples pocket spring made with all sorts of tralala - sadly it's only a 3'6" hence the need to buy something else!

The first one is an entry level pocket sprung mattress, and is medium to firm.

The second one is a lower end hypoallergenic open coil sprung mattress.

The third one is a budget open coil sprung.

The fourth one is a top of the range open coil sprung, but is over priced.

The last one is a twin open coil sprung mattress.

If you want to go for a soft mattress then you would need to go for a better quality pocket sprung mattress.

Bou_3

Thank you Tim, looks like it's back to the drawing board, and the headache- for me!

Tim_Deegan

Bou wrote: »

Thank you Tim, looks like it's back to the drawing board, and the headache- for me!

What is your budget?

sanfly

Didnt relise what a minefield beds were been looking at new beds for sometime now and as said previously have discounted the romantica madrid/ venice did not like the foam feel.
Trying to replace a slumberland silver seal 2400 pocket sprung bed, which i assume is soft to medium?
Reading all the threads ( well nearly all:rotfl: ) choice seems to come down to:-
1) spring count to be between 1000 and 1500 is good, (does that mean medium =1000 and soft =1500)?
2) choose one of the following manufacturers, Kozeesleep (original one), Restus, Staples/Myers, Harrison, Relyon and milbrook, any others ??
3) Sprung base = possibly softer feel.?
resident experts, is there anything else to take into account? cheers

maryr_3

Can anyone tell me the difference between the following please:
La Romantica Milan, Venice and Madrid. Am I correct in thinking the Venice is medium firm?
thanks