compulsory overtime

Morty_007

lill wrote: »

they have confirmed that any training done out of term time is voluntary.

Can I just clarify?

Does this mean voluntary as in you don't get paid but it's compulsory to attend? Or voluntary in that you can make up your own mind whether to go or not?

lill

morning morty, its not that they are "allowing" me to work part time, its that they have taken on all new staff as term time only, as a money saving venture, they only NEED people employed term time, at the beginning they were trying to get me to be contracted for 16 hours a week, then come in as and when they needed me, my reply to that was if it wasn't on my contract as a permanent increase in hours I wouldn't be interested as I needed a stable income which was why I opted for a permanent position rather than contracting with would be paid at 3x the rate they were offering :rolleyes:, so they decided to scrap that idea ( I think they had visions of a work force they could just phone up with half days notice to work xyz days and not have to pay the pro rata during none term time)

And its voluntary as in I can make up my mind if I go or not, ( Ive done EVERY other training and there is job related training coming up that I do intend to go to.

As Iv said all along the issue I have is not the money its that I have agreed to a set of terms and conditions and I take real issue with being told that it's a requirement of the job to work at times that I have not agreed to, If I don't make a stand about it now whats to stop them sliding in other things because no ones objected to it. There are parts of the team that do have compulsory training and "events" in their contract, but the last lot they took on do not.

lill

ohreally wrote: »

I can think of very few types of training which may be deemed as compulsory for non professionals. What is the purpose of the training?

Customer Services :rolleyes: , which Ive already done at my last job for a lot longer than a 1 day course.

lill

floss2 wrote: »

I still think you should check the terms & conditions of employment and also your contract. If you just don't bother turning up , they may have good reason to start disciplinary action against you. How long have you worked there?

They know Im not going, Ive told them Im not. What they are trying to say is that it's a requirement of the job that I attend when they say I do, and that just because Im term time only its still a requirement to attend during none term time when they say I have to.
What Im saying is it is not a requirement as I have never been told it is and quite clearly stated in the interview the whole reason for taking the job was to have the free time, if that was a problem it should have been raised then before I gave up my other job.

You cant trick people in to taking a job and then try to change the terms to suite after the fact.

LittleVoice

lill wrote: »

Customer Services :rolleyes: , which Ive already done at my last job for a lot longer than a 1 day course.

And do you think you could not learn anything more (eg change your behaviour) ever again - or contribute to the learning of others?

Oldernotwiser

Morty_007 wrote: »

lmao, get real. Apart from it being gross discrimination,
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I think I am being realistic. If you've got an equal choice between candidates and you're thinking "the last lone parent we had was an awkward so and so and wouldn't come to training in the holiday, despite being paid for it and having a child in his mid teens" then this can tip the balance between who gets the job. Perhaps it shouldn't but it does. Interviewers are only human after all.

floss2

I'm still not sure exactly what it is that you do OP?

Still waiting to find out what it is that you do?

I still think you should check the terms & conditions of employment and also your contract.

Have you checked your T's & C's and contract yet?

Lill, have you tried approaching your manager and actually SPEAKING to them?! Instead of getting heavy with a letter why not try approaching someone and explaining whats going on for you?

Or even spoken to your line manager?


I have to agree with LV. I have done customer service training in almost every job I have had in the last 17 years (approx 5 employers, ranging from 2 weeks intensive to 2 day refresher) and have always learnt something new or gained a new way to train others.

lill

LittleVoice wrote: »

And do you think you could not learn anything more (eg change your behaviour) ever again - or contribute to the learning of others?

Several of my customes have emailed my employer saying how happy they are with my service, others have said they want to increase the hours they have on contract, BUT only if they can retain me, another after having gone through 3 other of my collegues and found them all not suitable has stuck with me and are very happy with my service.

I could quite easily set up on my own and take my clients with me ( nothing in my contract to stop me and has happend before) and Id be rolling in it for the price they are being charged to have me on site. I know it and my employer knows it.

As for contributing to the learning of others, "do your job properly and when you THINK youve finished find something else to do." and "dont argue with the client" is basic common sence.

lill

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I think I am being realistic. If you've got an equal choice between candidates and you're thinking "the last lone parent we had was an awkward so and so and wouldn't come to training in the holiday, despite being paid for it and having a child in his mid teens" then this can tip the balance between who gets the job. Perhaps it shouldn't but it does. Interviewers are only human after all.

whats being a lone parent got to do with anything? Have I said its because I cant find child care that I dont want to go in?

I could have taken this job because I want to travel the world during the summer every summer, and have every right to do so as im not obligated to make myself available unless its during term time.

What right do they have to change my agreed terms and conditions AFTER I have taken the job?

floss2

I think that as you are so determined that

1. you don't need any further training or support in your job
2. you don't need to read your T's & C's and contract to clarify things
3. you don't need to speak to your line manager to discuss this
4. you don't want to even divulge what you do for a living

then you don't really need any further input from me.

But can I just say - you DID ask for the advice that you have been given by everyone.