compulsory overtime

poet123

We have to undergo 30 hours of staff development every year some of it after hours and unpaid in the form of courses which have a recognised qualifiction ie NCFE. I work term time only but it still applies to me pro rata,even those on relief contracts are asked to attend and they are not paid.

This is par for the course now and if your contract does not actually state term time but specifies xxxx hours you have no beef.

Similarly, a provisional date is just that a date you should keep free until it is confirmed or not.

lill

poet123 wrote: »

We have to undergo 30 hours of staff development every year some of it after hours and unpaid in the form of courses which have a recognised qualifiction ie NCFE. I work term time only but it still applies to me pro rata,even those on relief contracts are asked to attend and they are not paid. This is par for the course now and if your contract does not actually state term time but specifies xxxx hours you have no beef.

Why do i have no beef when this will take me over xxx hours?
if it were a recognised qualification I wouldnt be making a fuss but its not. Also its way over 30 hours a year already.

If this were a couple of years ago there is no way I could have attended a days training here and there in the school holidays as it would have been impossible to have found child care as everywhere would be booked for weeks in advance and you would have to book for the whole of the 6 weeks.

poet123

Because appart from the recognised qualiications I, and lots of others, have to do additional training outside hours without payment to keep skill levels up.

A friend of mine is a solicitor and they have to get points to practice so they are being sent to Lisbon for a weekend to do a course, unpaid,just expenses,sounds good? last time it was in S!!!!horpe,same rules though.

SD is a fact of life,and you could ask for time off in lieu

lill

poet123 wrote: »

SD is a fact of life,and you could ask for time off in lieu

No I cant ask for TIL, we are not allowed to take time off during term unless its an emergency.
Can I ask if you were aware that you had to take all this training before you were offered the job? or was your friend told that they would be expected to travel away from home for training etc?

If my employer were to suddenly say we have training in xyz and we have booked you in over night at a hotel, where would I then stand baring in mind im a single parent with a child to take care of?

poet123

No,the requirements have only just changed, Govt iniatives come and go and we have to comply. There will be a catchall clause in the contract which covers it though.
No,she works for a small firm and never goes further than the local mags court usually, she was given a provisinional date thoughand told in advance. SD is the hot topic in the workplace now.

poet123

I dont honestly know,but would guess that it would depend on the circumstances
how much notice
importance of the training
distance
whether they would expect that given enough notice and if it was very important that you could make arrangements for childcare. Or whether they would view you as having extenuating circumstances.

lill

oops i think you replied before i edited my post again, does she have children? last year they arranged training that was in term time, usually they put people up in a hotel when they attend, but I was expected to drive there and back everyday, I estemated that id be getting back at around 8pm and leaving home at around 7am to make the cource, this is with them knowing im a single parent, I didnt make any fuss about that as its in term time. Luckily they made arrangements for it more localy.

poet123

Just noticed how and why Scun.....thorpe was edited !!!

lill

poet123 wrote: »

whether they would expect that given enough notice and if it was very important that you could make arrangements for childcare. Or whether they would view you as having extenuating circumstances.

my child is 14 so its easier to work round that issue than it used to be, but my real big bug bare is that in the interview they said specificaly why do you want to change jobs and i said it was only because I wanted to spend school holiday time with my child while he was still at home for me to enjoy time with him having missed out on so much when he was little, they never once said that i would be required to work during none term time.

lill

do you know what else really narks me, if they had my salary down as term time plus my annual salary would be enough for me to be able to get a decent mortgage, I think its that thats getting me so wound up.