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I know you are annoyed but legally as the contract that you agreed to doesn't say the words "term time only" then unfortunately it is not. This why they can give you training dates in the school holidays.
Unfortunately the onus was actually on you to get the contract you agreed to state the same as the advert. If you challenge them about the advert they are likely to deny it.
Just send the note in and if asked state the reason i.e. you can't get child care at short notice when everyone else needs child care for that period.
It doesnt state term time only but it does state, xxx hours so this would be over my contracted hours.0 -
Does your contract state "Term-time"? If not, then you may find that your protestations are worthless.
Does your contract state anything about training & professional development? Do your employers have an obligation to keep the staff up-to-date with new methods / legislation?
Do you want to keep your CPD records & training evidence file up to date? For example, are you a professional with professional membership required for your job?
Or do you only want to work whilst your child/children are at school and have no hassle / no updating / lag behind colleagues / lose professional status & memberships.
You probably won't like this bit - if you don't like the fact that your employer WANTS to train you, then find another job. Most people would adjust to accomodate this extremely worthwhile benefit.
Thank you for taking the time to reply to my posts, im just amaized that people think its acceptable to re write terms and conditions at the drop of a hat.
Im already applying for other jobs, not down to just this issue0 -
sorry if im comming over as being abrubt, but this isnt proffesional training its some 1 day in house thing that ive already had trainng in with a previous employer, and as ive stated else where Ive always been lead to belive that any attendence to traninng etc. was voluntary.Oldernotwiser wrote: »And can I remind YOU that you asked for people's advice on this?
Regardless of any other aspects of your case, if you've been sent a provisional training date then it was expected that you would keep this free or to bring up any problems with attendance at the time. To tell your employers that you didn't bother to note it will not help your case at all.
People may work Monday to Friday and still be asked to work on a Saturday for a specific reason such as training; it's not at all the same thing as being asked to keep EVERY Sunday free just in case!
I agree with floss2 that most people would leap at 10 days of paid professional training to enable them to improve their skills and develop their career. You're lucky that your employer treats its part time staff equally with its full time staff when it comes to training; if they didn't you'd really have something to complain about.
Anyway like I said wont be an issue this time next year, Thanks again.0 -
Thank you for taking the time to reply to my posts, im just amaized that people think its acceptable to re write terms and conditions at the drop of a hat.
Im already applying for other jobs, not down to just this issue
You're welcome.
As I have asked, to clarify the initial question:
1. Is there an obligation on your employer to keep the staff updated?
2. Does the contract state anything about training?
3. What is it that you actually do?
4. Do you need to be a member of a professional body to get a job in your field?
5. Is the job performed by other staff one that can not allow release for training during term time?0 -
Most contracts have a clause in re training requirements or overtime as needed so I am sure they will have covered themselves.
I also dont think its much to ask, they gave everyone provisional notice of the dates and you chose to ignore them so its not your employers fault. Your childcare problems are also not their concern.
Your contract doesn't state term time so they have every right to ask you to work/train that week.0 -
....... and as ive stated else where Ive always been lead to belive that any attendence to traninng etc. was voluntary....
It depends what you do. For example:
If you are a teacher, then your employer should train you on new methods/curriculum requirements brought in by the Government or LEA.
If you are a BMS (bio-medical scientist), then most NHS & private healthcare patients would be pleased to know that your employer ensures that you are fully updated on new methods / standards / legislation relating to your work in a pathology or related service laboratory.
If you are an accountant, your employer should ensure that your CPD is kept up & your refreshers are completed, as with doctors, surgeons, nurses, solicitors, auditors, engineers, social workers, environmental health specialists, paramedics.....
But I guess if you don't want a job that entails professional development, then don't go to the training.0 -
You're welcome.
As I have asked, to clarify the initial question:
1. Is there an obligation on your employer to keep the staff updated?
2. Does the contract state anything about training?
3. What is it that you actually do?
4. Do you need to be a member of a professional body to get a job in your field?
5. Is the job performed by other staff one that can not allow release for training during term time?
1. not 100% sure but I dont belive there is an obligation
2. I dont belive so but im going to check when I get home
3. I work i IT but the cource is not IT related, + Ive already had training in this area.
4. no
5. They probably could get cover, but its more convenient for them to get everyone on training at the same time.
one more thing, if your over paid by your employer, and you bring it to their attention, and agree to pay back xx per month to cover the over payment, can they force you to do overtime to pay back their over payment?0 -
it might, im not 100 % sure I did specificaly ask for it to state term time only but by the time i actualy got it ( 6 months after i started) I was already looking for another job so didnt check it that well. I do know that the offering letter did state term time only.DaisyFlower wrote: »
Your contract doesn't state term time so they have every right to ask you to work/train that week.
However as I said it does state how many hours a week I work and how many weeks, and the job is one that will not allow me to take TIL0
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