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Zazen999

poet123 wrote: »

It is not extra work it is training there is a difference.

That is true; if she was being offered for example French as a recreational aspect; but it is not. It is a business based requirement. Thus, part of the business. Thus, work not pleasure.

Zazen999

poet123 wrote: »

I dont think anyone has actually said they could legally force her to do the training. What has been said is that she could if she wanted to be flexible and accomodate her employers on this issue,and that what she has been asked to do was not unreasonable given the notice she was given.

Plus, they have arranged training and activities, not in one block but several days over a number of weeks.

It's not even a one-off.

poet123

As you say, we must agree to disagree,but tbh if the atittude and inflexibility shown and encouraged on this thread is typical,(which I actually dont believe it is) it is no wonder there are so many unemployed.

Zazen999

poet123 wrote: »

As you say, we must agree to disagree,but tbh if the atittude and inflexibility shown and encouraged on this thread is typical,(which I actually dont believe it is) it is no wonder there are so many unemployed.

How so?

I can't work out why expecting employers to stick to contracts [that they themselves have written] or terms [that they themselves advertised] leads to unemployment. The contracts are there to protect the rights of the employer usually, in this case they have shot themselves in the foot by trying to employ term time staff but changing their own rules.

If they don't want term time staff, don't employ them.

Are you suggesting that employers can change the rules willy nilly and if employees don't agree then they can leave? If so, then surely the position will just get filled with another person; it doesn't affect unemployment at all.

Or

Are you trying to suggest that all unemployed people are just too picky about sticking to the contract and are unemployable because of it?

Fascinating.

surreysaver

poet123 wrote: »

It is not extra work it is training there is a difference.

If the training is to enable the OP to do their job, then it is work, and should be undertaken during work time.

surreysaver

poet123 wrote: »

You haven't answered the question.....if your customers need service in term time and the staff are training,who provides the service??? or dont you care? actually it is quite clear that you don't.

The school/education sector already do their training in term time - thats why working parents have to take time off to look after them.

Coupon-mad

And relating to the same post by poet123, you could ask exactly the same question in any work environment even where it's only staffed by full-timers.

Let's imagine a 9-5 business, Monday to Friday. The MD wants to fit in a Customer Care training course on a weekday for a few hours, but he/she and the Team Manager realise this will impact unacceptably upon the Service Level Agreement with their clients & customers.

Does the Manager ask the staff to attend the course at 5pm instead? Of course not, he/she staggers the staff's attendance on the course over several weekdays. Within their working hours, of course!!!

Oldernotwiser

In a college environment, which going from previous threads is where the OP works, fulltime staff would also have to do their training in the "holidays" as FE colleges do not usually close for training days in the same way as schools do. Co-operation and professionalism (even from the unqualified staff!) are expected and rewarded.

It seems obvious to me that the OP has an axe to grind with her employers but will find that losing their goodwill will not advance her career or help other lone parents seeking employment in this sector. I've had several jobs where training was undertaken either after normal working hours or on a Saturday; for training given by outside trainers or where whole team dynamics are crucial to the training it would be impossible to spread the training over a period of time. I think that many people posting here aren't familiar with the way in which this environment works and are posting as if employment in a call centre is being discussed!

Zazen999

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

In a college environment, which going from previous threads is where the OP works, fulltime staff would also have to do their training in the "holidays" as FE colleges do not usually close for training days in the same way as schools do. Co-operation and professionalism (even from the unqualified staff!) are expected and rewarded.

Nobody is disputing that the training needs to be done. What is being argued is that, if the employer knows this - why the heck employ people on particular agreements and not tell them about it. Then, when you do do it; book several days spread over the hols and not in one single week?

Insulting other poster's awareness of how any industry works is a cheap shot. Particularly when that is not the argument.

poet123

Are you trying to suggest that all unemployed people are just too picky about sticking to the contract and are unemployable because of it?

If the posts here are representative then Yes,that is what I am saying. All that is being asked is a bit of goodwill,at some point any employee may need it reciprocated by their employer,and then if they don't comply they are the baddies.

Educational establishments are different to industry,and accepted norms are different so the comment is not irrelevant but in fact very pertinent. Perhaps that is the issue..the OP may be in the wrong sector,but requiring the perks of that sector...clear choice.