compulsory overtime

poet123

So presumably if you work term time only as do the majority of your colleagues this is a business which is in some way connected to a sector which also works term time,schools,colleges etc? If that is correct then to have an entire staff off on a training course within this timeframe would impact on customers,which is probably why your employer tries to arrange it at another time. As long as you get adequate notice,get paid or toil,then most people would be happy to do this,and many of us do.

lill

poet123 wrote: »

So presumably if you work term time only as do the majority of your colleagues this is a business which is in some way connected to a sector which also works term time,schools,colleges etc? If that is correct then to have an entire staff off on a training course within this timeframe would impact on customers,which is probably why your employer tries to arrange it at another time. As long as you get adequate notice,get paid or toil,then most people would be happy to do this,and many of us do.

What part of TERM TIME ONLY are you people incapable of understanding?
Term time only not TERM TIME PLUS XYZ which is what they should put in the contract if that's whats required, otherwise anytime worked not term time is purely voluntary.

I give up with you people. your all barking mad.

LittleVoice

lill wrote: »

What part of TERM TIME ONLY are you people incapable of understanding?
Term time only not TERM TIME PLUS XYZ which is what they should put in the contract if that's whats required, otherwise anytime worked not term time is purely voluntary.

I give up with you people. your all barking mad.

I don't think we are all barking mad: we are living in the real world.

If you are really worth so much more than you are currently being paid and the clients want you and no one else then, given the clients are working "term time only", why don't you just offer your services to them direct at the higher rate you believe you should be able to obtain and then you yourself will only be required to work "term time only".

poet123

You haven't answered the question.....if your customers need service in term time and the staff are training,who provides the service??? or dont you care? actually it is quite clear that you don't.

Morty_007

WOOF (oh and by the way, as a psychiatric nurse I take offense to your turn of phrase. I've not met a service user who barks yet. :cool: )

Morty_007

Actually in all seriousness, you shot yourself in the foot when you agreed to work ANY time at all in the holidays (yes, you did agree...you turned up to do some training.) I'm afraid YOU set the precedent. YOU agreed to work outside term time on those occasions, only now you don't want to. If you objected at all you shouldn't have turned up at all....ever....not even once...but you did . You can't blame your employer for thinking you didn't mind.

Zazen999

I read through this the other day and can't believe the negativity still going on here.

Just for instance...
you take a term time job because out of term time the child you never see comes to stay...
you take a term time job because you run an out of term childcare business
you take a term time job because you volunteer in Goa for the summer holidays
you take a term time job because you visit your brother and his family in Florida for the summer holidays and take you kids with you
you take a term time job because you flipping want to.

If an employer is taking people on, and advertising term time jobs; then the holidays are their flippin own to do with what they flippin want. That's the definition of term time.

If they want to put training on for these people, then do it before term ends

If they want to put training on for non-term time staff, and offer it to term time people - then that's fab.

But, don't underpin your lack of planning and time management by demanding people attend, when effectively they are not contracted to be there.

Having been a manager with part time staff, some of which used to work mornings only; you have to engage training providers that will be flexible and fit in with staff requirements.

ALSO

If the training is not on your personal training plan, ie customer service has been identified as a training need, then you should not be attending just because the course is running. Companies who run ad hoc training and shove everyone on are wasting valuable training money. The training should be in response to an identified personal need.

Also, companies who use training for all rather than tackle an issue with one or two people, are trying to crack a nut with the preverbial sledgehammer. This hasn't been mentioned here, but it is often the case. Ie 2 staff members are rubbish at customer service, so lets put everyone on a training course.

IMHO - of course.

poet123

And for all you know from the employers perspective, the OP may well be that one!!the line between !confidence and arogance is very fine.

Zazen999

poet123 wrote: »

And for all you know from the employers perspective, the OP may well be that one!!the line between !confidence and arogance is very fine.

Well, if that's the case, then this should have been communicated to the OP and definitely arranged with their attendance in the forefront.

poet123

If you read the OP she did say she had been given the date in advance,and the tone of the email/notification lead her to believe it was required,maybe they were sparing her feelings by not spelling it out.