compulsory overtime

Zazen999

poet123 wrote: »

If you read the OP she did say she had been given the date in advance,and the tone of the email/notification lead her to believe it was required,maybe they were sparing her feelings by not spelling it out.

In that case:
A - they need to go on a management training course themselves, as they are unable to properly communicate to their staff
B - how the heck would she get anything from the training if she is unaware that she needs to take heed of it?

regularsaver1

i guess this is about a COURSE and not a cource as u put it

Morty_007

regularsaver1 wrote: »

i guess this is about a COURSE and not a cource as u put it

Pot.....Kettle.....black? :rotfl:

poet123

Zazen999 wrote: »

In that case:
A - they need to go on a management training course themselves, as they are unable to properly communicate to their staff
B - how the heck would she get anything from the training if she is unaware that she needs to take heed of it?

How do you know they did not communicate properly? she may have missed/dismissed the significance because of the very issue involved!!!just as she has repeatedly done with the comments on here.

Some people are difficult to manage...but of course you will know that,could she be one of them?only her employers know that ,I don't, nor do you.

Zazen999

poet123 wrote: »

How do you know they did not communicate properly? she may have missed/dismissed the significance because of the very issue involved!!!just as she has repeatedly done with the comments on here.

Some people are difficult to manage...but of course you will know that,could she be one of them?only her employers know that ,I don't, nor do you.

I don't think she has dismissed the significance of anything. I think her employers are consistently taking the p.

i also think it is good that someone is prepared to stand up and be counted; if she's not contracted to work during the summer then she has every right to make plans during that time. End of.

Oldernotwiser

lill wrote: »

yes I do, however they know that when they sign up for the job, you don't take a job teaching because you think your going only work term time, and you know that before you even start training for the job let alone sign the contract

Many people teaching in FE "signed up" as you put it when conditions of service where rigorously upheld and holiday periods were sacrosanct (as you should know as you have a background in this area). Conditions in FE have changed and even the professional staff have had to adapt so I don't really see why unqualified staff like you should feel that they are above this.

poet123

Zazen999 wrote: »

I don't think she has dismissed the significance of anything. I think her employers are consistently taking the p.

i also think it is good that someone is prepared to stand up and be counted; if she's not contracted to work during the summer then she has every right to make plans during that time. End of.

It is all supposition, her employer must have had reasons to ask her to do the training who are we to say it is not required? End of

ALIBOBSY

I can see both sides of this argument.
I personally worked part time from after my first child (currently on unpaid maternity followed by unpaid leave) and am very grateful I work for a very flexible employer. I know I will never be forced to come in on any days other than my contracted days.

However I suppose it might be possible they would offer me training courses on other days and if I wanted to go they would switch my days for that week.

Mind you any courses I actually did were all in house and done on my normal days, but being an office of around 250 both full time and part time as well as some term time any courses/meetings/information sessions were arranged over a period to ensure everyone could be fitted in. A smaller employer may not be able to do this.

I have to admit when I came back to work after my second child I needed to do a training course which was full time for 7 weeks, they said I could wait for a part time course, but couldn't guarantee when that would be. They did however guarantee I would go back to my contracted hours as soon as the course ended and I did get paid for the extra time, that seems different to being expected to come in on loads of courses outside your hours/contract.

It sounds to me like the OP's employer is trying to get away with only employing term time workers (less pay than full time) whilst expecting them to be able to come in at any time during the holidays which is not fair at all. The OP'S problem is she has turned up before, leading them to conclude it is not a problem, if at the first request she had said "I am term time and can't come in" she would be in a stronger position.

If I was employed term time only I would never expect to have to come in outside my contract, and to be honest with 3 young kids I would stand my ground. But then I have worked for the same employer for 20 years so doubt they would have a go like that. Best advice to OP is to sit down and have a frank conversation with her manager, put her cards on the table she was employed term time and didn't expect to have to come in during holidays. That she took the job specifically for the working hours and see what they can arrange. Unless she has other issues with her employer and given the fact she is looking for another job this may be the case.

good luck
ali x

Zazen999

poet123 wrote: »

It is all supposition, her employer must have had reasons to ask her to do the training who are we to say it is not required? End of

Nobody is disputing they have their reasons, or that it is required - that is between her and her employer. The issue is the timing, and they are out of order expecting to employ someone on one basis, and breaking their own agreement when it suits them. Note: the job was advertised and given under a term time only agreement.

poet123

Her job is carried out under those terms....it is a small amount of training that they are asking for,not overtime as it has been billed,but training.