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How much should a colleague pay to have a car share journey to work?
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Teacher2301 wrote: »So are you teasing me as well ...:A ...but I rise to the jest...
I train teachers and they work very hard to complete their studies and plan lessons and prepare for them, you can't just turn up 'spout a few facts' and then go home - maybe 40 years ago you could but not now - go to this website and just see the stuff teachers have to include in their lessons...
http://curriculum.qca.org.uk/key-stages-3-and-4/aims/index.aspx
and tell me that's just spout and go. I wish it was sometimes but that's the challenge of teaching, creating interesting lessons to ensure pupils make progress and gain an understanding of the world around them - off topic I know but needed to be said - you might want to see my other thread (6 months training for teachers in the employment section!)
Most Post grads train hard though?
£25 per hour and 3 months off each year sounds good to me.0 -
To Piper and Sturll - in reality it's never that easy and if you want to continue this on my other thread about teacher training - you're very welcome. I wish what you say could be true, then teachers would be labelled as shurkers but we're not. You can't have an off-day, do not much in the morning and then think about stuff in the afternoon - it has to be right, it has to be perfect and it has to be a good standard.
Imagine if Jonathan Ross had to plan his whole radio show and the Friday Night show all by himself, five times every day. Would he alone produce the quality he does? No - he has researchers, production staff, make-up artists, producers, assistants etc and is paid well over the average (IMHO) for a TV presenter - but no-one tell's him he only works for 9 months of the year and for 6.5 hours a day. My point is, as teachers, we do produce, resource, direct, manage, lead, care, encourage, motivate, enthuse and whatever else is needed to a highly critical audience who at their teenage years do not want to do anything let alone being at school. Now is that an easy option for a career?'Proud To Be Dealing With My Debts' : Member number 632
Nerds rule! :cool:0 -
The pay sounds good, if all children behaved perfectly and there were never any problems. I'm still recovering from heavy furniture thrown yesterday- primary school!
Anyway, back to the cost. I used to get a lift, but never gave any money- I offered it but they never wanted any. I wouldn't rely on it and would go home by bus. Perhaps the teacher needs to buy a season ticket for public transport. Once lifts start getting offered people start to feel obligated. I used to be quite happy getting the bus but people would offer lifts and feel offended when I said I was fine thanks. The trouble is you offer lifts to friends and that's where it gets difficult. You wouldn't offer a lift to someone you don't get on with, but they would be the people that you could probably discuss money with.0 -
I don't think £200 is that bad actually..
not when you think of the cost of the car, insurance, tax, petrol, maintenance & tyres, labour etc. for a 40 mile trip 5 days a week, per month.
If K(?) feels agrieved by it he/she could:
take public transport
buy their own car and drive M around for a month.
There is no way would I give anyone a lift to work. I got cobbed into that one once and the cheeky beggar expected me to take her to work on MY DAY OFF.
I said never again, and I've stuck to my word. For our works Xmas do I was taking the car as I'm too tight to pay for a taxi and had to work early the next day. You should have seen the amount of tight fisted colleagues who automatically assumed I would taxi them around at the end of the night around the welsh valleys. :mad: FOC :mad:
P*ssed me right off and spoilt my night. I got out of it by going home @ 10PM :rotfl: :rotfl: Ha ha suckers :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:Be happy, it's the greatest wealth
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Spiderjonifer wrote: »In response to the question where did I live it is in the Manchester area.
As for the sum of 50p it was suggested as an inital goodwill gesture. If I wanted to make a profit then I would have been far more mercenary. As it was it got very silly and as I said the passengers took liberties. I am sure at the time there was laods od stories in the media about sharing cars to cover costs. I did not see it as a cost just a helpful thing to do.
As for the comments from the poster that has such a hard time at the bus stop as I said to you at the time keep your papers off my vinal as they mark. The price of a curly whirly was more that resonable and you can keep your LOOK IN and but your self a proper form of transport, A Grifter bike would be just right.
Actually thought your post was very funny.
You could still walk though.
Even in the rain.
And I wont wave at you.
well i'm glad you took it in the spirit it was meant it.
at least not everyone on here has had a sense of humour bypass
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Teacher2301 wrote: »Thanks to everyone who has contributed - some interesting comments both for and against the dilemma. The theme of mutual agreement is a common one to but also the idea that the car-owner dictates the arrangements was quite high as well.
The actual amount that K pays is £10 a day or £200 a month which is about a fifth of his wages.
Considering that a few suggested that M is already going to the same place of work ( a school by the way) anyway and why should K pay for what has been calculated as a profit making transaction. Thanks to whoever did the maths and research...so next question....
How does K resolve the issue and pay what is fair - assume that fair would be half the cost of getting to school?
which is what I said would be reasonable.
It is not just about the car owner being in control it is also about the non car owner understandig the value of being offered the lift.
As I said I think they are mad living so far from work and should be looking to reduce costs.
£10pd is reasonable estimate 1/2 the cost of running a car for those miles and keeps both parties able to continue with the costs. Even with a minimal cost allocations I think you are still over £7.50.
By covering the costs M is less likely to change jobs or move leaving K with the only other alternative public transport at well over twice the cost.
K gets a bargain and show some gratitude for the offer of the car share rather than an insult and pitiful offer of £20pw some have suggested which does not cover even 1/2 the fuel.
There may be good reasons for living so far away(partners, kids schools etc) but trying to argue that % of take home is too high for K is flawed as is that M is doing the trip anyway.
Bottom line is this should be a cost share.
Even if M is loaded, happy with the commute and costs anything less than a decent offer is an insult and just freeloading.
In most car pool situations there is a share, here M is also doing all the driving for what must be 2hours+ a day(unless motorway) so very one sided.
There is room for M to be a litle more flexable on timings but may not be worth the inconvenience to M for less money then K is stuffed.
If I was M and this was a short term to get K though a patch then I would help out but if this is to be long term get real set a fare cost, I would be offering £10pd for the deal offered if I had 80mile and an alternative of over £20 on public transport.
Why are they living so far away?0 -
why doesnt K see if they can get driving lessons , a car loan , tax , insurance and servicing costs for less than £200
re the "theyre going anyway " comments....well what if i have a spare room with a bed unused , should i let people sleep in for free , i have a toolbox full of tools all paid for , should i service peoples cars for nothing while i have the spanners out.....i dont think so0 -
K would ideally like to move but as the contract is until end of the school year, the costs of moving etc are just as prohibtive I assume. So - the consensus is - he is being fairly charged. I like getmore4less' point, M is doing all the driving and for 2 hours a day is a lot (however one could also argue why does M chose to live so far away as well and if he has to make the journey anyway, why not help out a colleague?)'Proud To Be Dealing With My Debts' : Member number 632
Nerds rule! :cool:0 -
After reading through this thread i have realised how lucky i am to have some of the friends i do. Most of you might not realise but friends actually do things for each other and here is the best bit - They dont charge for it.
A perfect example is my friend who fits carpets in hotels, i asked him to fit a few of my carpets and brace yourselves - he didn't want anything for doing it. Actually i got the beers in whilst he did it. But it does seem that for some of you on here friends helping each other out is unheard of.
I mean i appreciate the MSE behind it but come on. Its bordering on profiteering off a friendship and some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves friends.0 -
steveo3002 wrote: »why doesnt K see if they can get driving lessons , a car loan , tax , insurance and servicing costs for less than £200
re the "theyre going anyway " comments....well what if i have a spare room with a bed unused , should i let people sleep in for free , i have a toolbox full of tools all paid for , should i service peoples cars for nothing while i have the spanners out.....i dont think so
Tit.
There is a difference from charging for a service and letting someone 'come along for the ride' so to speak.0
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