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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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Looks like Macron will win as well........ so the hoped for EU meltdown is not going to happen and we can look forward to tough negotiations with a united front from the 27. They won't give a fig about May's huge parliamentary majority after the election either. If only we could wind the clock back.....we can look forward to years of uncertainty and worry now. The awful truth as well is I reckon loads of the Brexiteers didn't give their vote a second thought.:mad:
Agreed, it does indeed appear that Macron will win - although perhaps with significantly less of a majority than previously thought.
As to your "EU meltdown" ......... early days.
There are almost two full years remaining on the clock and we know how much can change overnight, never mind over two years.
*Not, as I have said before, that I wish for an EU collapse; just pointing out (as others better-qualified than I do) the distinct possibility.*
I also refer you to an earlier post amply demonstrating the discord regarding Brexit within the EU, this being just one example of many:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72465740&postcount=19157
Are you choosing to ignore these demonstrations of discord within the EU or just hoping that they amount to nothing?
There is nothing tough negotiation-wise about May simply replying with a "No"; I said very early on that the EU were responsible for the direction of the negotiations but that the UK did not have to agree.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/theresa-may-rejects-brussels-hardline-brexit-demands/Theresa May has dismissed a series of hardline Brexit demands from Brussels as politicians on both sides of the Channel warned that the talks could turn nasty.
So, why the need to "wind the clock back"?
All seems to be going extremely well from the UK's point of view; the EU politico's have talked themselves nicely into a number of corners so far.
The beautiful truth then is that Brexit supporters knew what they were doing.
As a result it is beginning to look very much like the UK will achieve freedom from an acknowledgedly corrupt and domineering EU more easily that dreamed possible.
Whatever pain may result from this divorce will be short-lived before the UK flourishes, free of these shackles.
Despite so many "Project Fear" premonitions of doom and gloom, evidence so far strongly supports that viewpoint.
As the recent £ exchange rate rise suggests, although we don't want too strong a recovery as this would affect our growing exports.
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Looks like Macron will win as well........ so the hoped for EU meltdown is not going to happen and we can look forward to tough negotiations with a united front from the 27. They won't give a fig about May's huge parliamentary majority after the election either. If only we could wind the clock back.....we can look forward to years of uncertainty and worry now. The awful truth as well is I reckon loads of the Brexiteers didn't give their vote a second thought.:mad:
Poor Moby. Stuck in a country he hates.0 -
If the EU is such a bloody wonderful entity, why are they insisting their citizens get to remain in the UK?
One would have thought they would want then to return to the Eden of their wonderful mother/fatherlands.
Do you not want the British government to fight for the rights of British citizens? Or do you support a world where Brits in Spain are deported back to the UK?
I don't support the same world as you do, obviously.The Gibraltar clause in the negotiations document effectively means any deal is highly unlikely.
I'd argue it makes a softer exit more likely, with only the Tories in the way.
If we can make the middle of June the end of May, a favourable deal to the one I mentioned earlier is highly likely, which is a deal that will work in everyones interests.
We have the choice of a government of Mayhem or a coalition of chaos (allegedly for the second), I know what I'd choose, and it's the 2nd.💙💛 💔0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Mrs May appears to be one to take a considered approach. Picking her moment to react carefully. All this baiting from within the EU is becoming very childish. One can only assume out of frustration.
Seems as if keeping themselves in line maybe an issue. Spanish appears to be making them a problem. Blankly put. The UK does not have to accede to the condition. What does the EU then do internally to rectify this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/third-spanish-warship-invades-gibraltan-waters-space-month/
Maybe May should have thought of that before threatening the Spanish government with military action. If you consider that a calm and considered approach, or strong and stable leadership, then that's your choice.
Didn't exactly set a good tone for negotiations, did it?💙💛 💔0 -
CKhalvashi wrote: »Maybe May should have thought of that before threatening the Spanish government with military action. If you consider that a calm and considered approach, or strong and stable leadership, then that's your choice.
Didn't exactly set a good tone for negotiations, did it?
When exactly did she do that? Please post a link.
I won't hold my breath.0 -
CKhalvashi wrote: »Maybe May should have thought of that before threatening the Spanish government with military action. If you consider that a calm and considered approach, or strong and stable leadership, then that's your choice.
Didn't exactly set a good tone for negotiations, did it?
It's the Spanish doing all the threatening - nothing at all new in that.
Hence the repeated incursions; the Spanish though would have great difficulty legally should the UK respond militarily.
A shot across the bows may well not be long in coming.
Also it wouldn't take much for the UK to show support for Gibraltar and boycott Spanish holidays; Spanish food; Spanish wine .............. how would their already-ropey economy cope with that?
As for the tone for negotiations?
The EU is playing straight into Mrs May's hands.
Because their senior EU politicos rather look like they are soiling their pants, to be blunt.
"60 million!"
"Gibraltar!"
"Settle bill before we deal!"
"EU citizens in Britain!"
Reasonable my aris.
No wonder May confidently says she "has dismissed a series of hardline Brexit demands from Brussels as politicians on both sides of the Channel warned that the talks could turn nasty."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/theresa-may-rejects-brussels-hardline-brexit-demands/
Like I've said before, the EU are providing the UK with all the ammunition it needs for a clean no-deal break laying the reason very firmly at the doors of the EU themselves.
And since the EU are the ones responsible for the tone of negotiations it is they that must moderate their tone to avoid such an eventuality.
I'm quite looking forward to summer and what happens next.
Because from here the likes of Tusk et al are beginning to look incompetent.
No wonder the Poles (where he is a former PM) wanted him out of any position of power within the EU.0 -
A quick clarification of some of the points in the above post:
"60 million!" - For what, please? Detail is required - plus note that the current EU budgetary term ends in 2020.
Just one year after Brexit should become final.
"Gibraltar!" - *sigh* We've been here before. Put simply, the people of Gibraltar want to remain British and Gibraltar is a British Overseas Territory. End of.
"Settle bill before we deal!" - What, like going to the supermarket for your weekend shop and handing over your wallet/purse before you know what you're buying?
Like paying your restaurant bill before you've even ordered?
Etc. etc.
etc.
"EU citizens in Britain!" - Ah, like we requested reciprocally from you, the EU, but you refused?0 -
What annoys me about the Spanish banging on about Gibralter, is they fail to recognise they're doing just the same keeping Ceuta and Melilla in Morocco.0
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CKhalvashi wrote: »Maybe May should have thought of that before threatening the Spanish government with military action. If you consider that a calm and considered approach, or strong and stable leadership, then that's your choice.
Didn't exactly set a good tone for negotiations, did it?
The Spanish have long been straying into British waters, and have tried to create problems for Gibraltar at every opportunity. Remember those 'extra customs checks' a couple of years ago, creating delays of hours whilst crossing the border? That was before Brexit and the eu did nothing about it then, just let Spain carry on. I'm sure there has been more Spanish stirring since and before then, just the eu try to keep it quiet.What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare0 -
The Telegraph have their own analysis of the EU negotiating document.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/eu-brexit-guidelines-document-really-means/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_fb
A very interesting read.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0
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