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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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How many of those problems do we fix or avoid be leaving the EU?0
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Some Remainers argued the negotiation on our trade arrangements with the EU could not / would not start until after Article 50 process completed.
From the Tusk statement today we learn this was yet another project fear myth.0 -
I'm sure that's true but I don't think there would have been legal challenges & protest marches etc.
We should make the distinction between Remainers & so-called Remoaners. I don't believe people who use the latter term are referring to everybody who voted Remain, or who regrets that they lost. I've always presumed it to be aimed at those people (and their supporters) who have done everything in their power to thwart the result of the vote. I.e. & in no particular order, Gina Miller, the Rod Stewart lookalike plumber, Blair, Mendelson, Ken Clarke, Heseltine, Clegg, Farron (& all the libdems), Salmond & Sturgeon (& all the SNPs) etc etc....
There were legal challenges after Maastricht:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/rees-moggs-maastricht-plea-rejected-legal-challenge-may-continue-despite-defeat-in-high-court-1488238.html
Oh and after Lisbon:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2008/06/a_real_bombshell_thrown_into.html
Brexwhingers spent decades fighting against the democratic will of the people as exercised in 1975. At least in 1975 there was a proper mandate.0 -
How many of those problems do we fix or avoid be leaving the EU?
Brexit could actually be the biggest wake up call for the EU.
They know they have to do something. There has been a shift from left to centre/right politics across a number of EU states.
Clearly, there is an undercurrent of dissatisfaction amongst the EU voters.
IMO the voters do deserve better. They pay a lot of money to this organisation.
But, Brexit in itself fixes nothing. It might help us realise the challenges we face.0 -
davomcdave wrote: »
Brexwhingers spent decades fighting against the democratic will of the people as exercised in 1975. At least in 1975 there was a proper mandate.
What did people vote for?
A Federal Europe, a constant ceding of competences to Brussels?
Those 1975 voters you presumably admired are still the same people0 -
They know they have to do something. There has been a shift from left to centre/right politics across a number of EU states.
Clearly, there is an undercurrent of dissatisfaction amongst the EU voters.
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Sweden's UKIP++ lead the polls
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/anti-immigrant-sweden-democrats-yougov-poll-first-most-popular-refugee-a7649506.html0 -
A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »Back in the real world rather than that of premonitions of doom and gloom, regarding increases happening now - and reported by Asia Times:
http://www.atimes.com/article/exclusive-chinese-tourist-spend-london-300/
From China:
http://www.chinatraveloutbound.com/china-becomes-one-of-the-uks-top-10-most-valuable-inbound-tourism-markets/
From Chinese in the UK:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2017-03/24/content_28670691.htm
Property?
https://www.ft.com/content/40a42390-c857-11e6-9043-7e34c07b46ef
Investment?
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/chinese-investment-uk-500-per-cent-six-years/
You want more?
Should I move on to India?
Honestly I CBA - if you're determined in your pessimism there isn't much I or anyone else can do for you.
But the prospects are - as demonstrated above - far, far better than your dour POV suggests.
You CBA to add much to this debate apart from conjecture and shilly shallying about two countries of which your direct experience amounts to the sum total of nothing.
We were talking about selling to China and India and you come back with tourism. Yes of course tourist spend is up - thanks to the colossal recklessness of Brexit the pound has had 1/4 of its value wiped out against the Yuan, so the 4% of Chinese people who are allowed to leave China by their own government can spend more.
Some points are made about China and India being systemically closed markets - accounting for why both combined barely totals 5% of our current exports - to which you respond with - abuse.
Being an angry Pollyanna will only get you so far in the world. Sadly.
It seems to have got you about as far as you are going to get in this debate.0 -
We keep hearing what 'might' happen but nobody knows for certain !
Can't say I'm looking forward to the next 2yrs of hearing about it on the news constantly !!
I think that even after the negotiations are over and its finalised there will be teething problems and initial issues but will eventually settle down. Much the same as any new system or company that sets up.
I do think though that other countries could follow suit as there must be other's who aren't happy with the EU regulations and the EU over ruling on their own countries laws.0 -
5 minutes spent in rural China is enough to see that no one has any money.
China is a rapidly growing market with a fast growing middle class, hence why huge growth in smart phones.
In any event China is one of many nations we will be free to trade with as we see fit on our terms with no Brussels interference and before you mention Germany, it makes a loss on it's China trade and the level of trade is still low.
I don't know why you cannot sense the huge opportunities ahead, whilst making a slight adjustment to our EU trade.0
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