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If we vote for Brexit what happens

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  • Thrugelmir
    Thrugelmir Posts: 89,546 Forumite
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    Conrad wrote: »
    I see Mcdonalds is moving its HQ (tax vehicle), from Luexmbourg to the UK. Another Remaoner sucker punch

    Be interesting to see what "penalty" they get hit with by the EU. London may become an attractive place to base oneself as a US Corporation if the onslaught continues. No doubt that's why Eire is pro Apple in the dispute. Be a huge loss of revenue.
  • Rinoa
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    Jean-Claude Juncker blocked EU curbs on tax avoidance, cables show

    Leaked papers reveal that as Luxembourg’s PM, the European commission president obstructed the bloc’s tax reforms efforts.
    The president of the European commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, spent years in his previous role as Luxembourg’s prime minister secretly blocking EU efforts to tackle tax avoidance by multinational corporations, leaked documents reveal.
    Years’ worth of confidential German diplomatic cables provide a candid account of Luxembourg’s obstructive manoeuvres inside one of Brussels’ most secretive committees.
    The code of conduct group on business taxation was set up almost 19 years ago to prevent member states from being played off against one another by increasingly powerful multinational businesses, eager to shift profits across borders and avoid tax.

    Little has been known until now about the workings of the committee, which has been meeting since 1998, after member states agreed a code of conduct on tax policies and pledged not to engage in “harmful competition” with one another.
    However, the leaked cables reveal how a small handful of countries have used their seats on the committee to frustrate concerted EU action and protect their own tax regimes.
    Efforts by a majority of member states to curb aggressive tax planning and to rein in predatory tax policies were regularly delayed, diluted or derailed by the actions of a few of the EU’s smallest members, frequently led by Luxembourg.

    The leaked papers, shared with the Guardian and the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists by the German radio group NDR, are highly embarrassing for Juncker, who served as Luxembourg’s prime minister from 1995 until the end of 2013. During that period he also acted as finance and treasury minister, taking a close interest in tax policy.
    Despite having a population of just 560,000, Luxembourg was able to resist widely supported EU tax reforms, its dissenting voice often backed only by that of the Netherlands.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude-juncker-blocked-eu-curbs-on-tax-avoidance-cables-show

    Incompetent, undemocratic and corrupt. Great to be out.
    If I don't reply to your post,
    you're probably on my ignore list.
  • Rinoa wrote: »
    Jean-Claude Juncker blocked EU curbs on tax avoidance, cables show

    Leaked papers reveal that as Luxembourg’s PM, the European commission president obstructed the bloc’s tax reforms efforts.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude-juncker-blocked-eu-curbs-on-tax-avoidance-cables-show

    Incompetent, undemocratic and corrupt. Great to be out.

    Ah yes, another to add to "the list" following Christine Lagarde being found guilty last month and many, many more such examples.
    Not that anyone within the EU hierarchy cares, it seems.
    Strange, that.
  • George Soros is suggesting the EU will fail too; the number suggesting the possibility over this last year is increasing weekly, it seems.
    George Soros is a Hungarian/American multi-billionaire BTW and one of the world's 30 richest people.
    You don't get so far without being at least a little "savvy", eh?
    The 86-year-old Hungarian-American said Brussels is “on the verge of breakdown”
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/749267/George-Soros-EU-2017-forecast-democracy

    Yes I know it's The Express but it is non the less valid for that.
    Also note that I am not necessarily agreeing with Soros or with his POV.
    But it is as I say above, yet another suggesting that the demise of the EU is on its way.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    Conrad wrote: »
    Can you let Microsoft and all the other non EU companies know they cannot easily trade in Europe.

    Yes I think you can prove beyond doubt that non-EU companies are able to trade with the EU but I didn't suggest otherwise.

    The UK will find it easier to trade with the EU as part of a single market rather than as a third country.

    It's quite a simple point.
  • For those who like myself were surprised at the often blatant pro-EU stance in some BBC broadcasts both before and after the referendum, it seems an answer may be available.
    Because the BBC has - by one means or another - been in receipt of funding from the EU.
    Worse still, the BBC did not declare that funding.
    “If they’re taking any funds from outside the UK they need to declare it, otherwise it’s a clear conflict of interest.
    “They are still the British Broadcasting Corporation. Sometimes I think they might have become the EU Broadcasting Corporation, especially given some of their hopelessly biased content.”
    says MP Andrew Bridgen here:
    http://news.ofthe.eu/brexiteers-furious-over-eu-funding-for-the-bbc/

    Also reported in Breitbart & a few other places.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/02/bbcs-impartiality-questioned-following-evidence-of-eu-funding/

    Sadly it seems that the BBC have not learned despite being warned in late 2015 that they should remain impartial.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12059280/BBC-has-received-2m-in-EU-funding-in-run-up-to-referendum-fueling-accusations-of-bias.html
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
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    edited 3 January 2017 at 2:55PM
    wotsthat wrote: »
    Yes I think you can prove beyond doubt that non-EU companies are able to trade with the EU but I didn't suggest otherwise.

    The UK will find it easier to trade with the EU as part of a single market rather than as a third country.

    It's quite a simple point.




    South Korea, Japan and others sell masses of exports to Europe, I see no reason we will not thrive in this regard.


    Also keep in mind Europe needs much from us, not least of which is clean access to the City which as Mark Carney says, is the Banker to Europe.


    The only fear is fear itself. Orders are up, the UK is thriving. Loads of Remaoners AFTER the vote had passed, said that we'd regret our decision by Xmas.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    Conrad wrote: »
    South Korea, Japan and others sell us masses of exports to Europe, I see no reason we will not thrive in this regard.

    As we keep being reminded - we seem to be thriving already.

    If we end up being a third country then it will make it more difficult to trade with the EU. That would suggest our exports will fall unless something else happens to cancel out this effect. Maybe the EU economy improves and increases demand?
    Conrad wrote: »
    Also keep in mind Europe needs much from us, not least of which is clean access to the City which as Mark Carney says, is the Banker to Europe.

    Excellent to hear.

    Our trading partners don't trade with us simply because we're EU members but because they need, want or find some other advantage in doing so. If it's more difficult to trade with us then that advantage is reduced.
    Conrad wrote: »
    The only fear is fear itself.

    I'm not afraid. It's just that I think the aggregated benefits of Brexit will be less than zero.
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
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    Glad Ivan Rogers is going, another out of time gloom monger.


    Splitting up Yugoslavia was a hugely more complex task than altering a trading relationship. It was done in 6 months.
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
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    edited 3 January 2017 at 3:13PM
    wotsthat wrote: »


    If it's more difficult to trade with us then that advantage is reduced.




    It wont be meaningfully more difficult to trade, period, for the reasons I've gone over time and again.
    The advantages of nimble tailor made autonomy engaged globally are bewildering.
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