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Nationwide Flexclusive Issue 1 ISA

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  • Nine_Lives
    Nine_Lives Posts: 3,031 Forumite
    Funnily enough, just received some literature from Nationwide on this topic.

    I don't know if this has already been mentioned in the thread. Probably has, but despite what some may think - the world wont end if it gets repeated....

    They say that the T&Cs didn't specify that the account was designed for new subscriptions ONLY and not transfers. They've now updated the T&Cs which take effect from 1st May 2013.
    If you've already completed a transfer in or are in the process of doing so then the funds will be added as requested. Any instruction to transfer received AFTER 1st May will NOT be accepted.


    At least we've official word from them now on official paper.
  • bondy01
    bondy01 Posts: 400 Forumite
    I've mentioned it in the other thread. My current thoughts are to go into a branch w/c Monday 8th April and put the max in and also transfer all but a £1 of the £11k I have in an online NW isa. The passbook needs updating with the interest so I don't want to do it online. I do wonder why you can still transfer until the end of April though.
  • innovate
    innovate Posts: 16,217 Forumite
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    Nine_Lives wrote: »

    At least we've official word from them now on official paper.

    Not that I doubt that Nationwide will be closing the loophole they had introduced, it's been a long time coming. But it's important to note that "we" just have a couple of posts on an internet forum. "You" have a letter from Nationwide.
  • Nine_Lives
    Nine_Lives Posts: 3,031 Forumite
    innovate wrote: »
    Not that I doubt that Nationwide will be closing the loophole they had introduced, it's been a long time coming. But it's important to note that "we" just have a couple of posts on an internet forum. "You" have a letter from Nationwide.
    Well whilst it isn't hard evidence in your hand ..... allow me to show you proof:

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  • innovate
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    I didn't doubt that you had received a letter - all I was saying is that the rest of us hadn't seen the updated T&Cs.

    These are indeed on their website now - with absolutely nothing that indicates that the changes are not in force until 1st of May! Or what terms apply until the 1st of May. Those lawyers in Nationwide should go back to school (or may be it's not their lawyers that draw up their T&Cs??).

    I can't directly link to the URL - you need to go via http://www.nationwide.co.uk/savings/legal.htm and select "ISAs" on the left.

    Here is the relevant text, with blue highlights from me. And a red one, which they seem to have sneeked in.


    Flexclusive ISA

    In addition to the general conditions and the cash ISA conditions, the following conditions apply to Flexclusive ISA. If there is a conflict between the general conditions, the cash ISA conditions and these Flexclusive ISA conditions, the Flexclusive ISA conditions will take priority.
    Account holding and ownership
    1. This account is available to customers aged 18 or over who meet one of the following two criteria:
      1. Hold a FlexAccount with a Visa debit card (not cash card or cash card+) and:
        1. Have been paying in £750+ a month (excluding internal transfers) for the last 3 months; or
        2. Complete an account transfer to us (from a non-Nationwide account) using our Account Transfer Service or have done so in the last 4 months; or
      2. Hold a FlexDirect or FlexPlus account
    2. If you no longer meet the account eligibility criteria we reserve the right to transfer the account to another ISA account within our range.
    3. Nationwide reserves the right to limit the number of Flexclusive ISA accounts you can have.
    4. The minimum deposit to open the account is £1, with a minimum operating balance of £1.
    5. The maximum you can deposit into the account each tax year is your annual cash ISA allowance for that tax year. The account only accepts new ISA subscriptions. Transfers into the account from any other cash ISA are not permitted.
    6. Nationwide's No Penalty Transfer Policy does not apply to this account. This means we may offer a later issue of this account with different features such as bonus rate or bonus period and we will not write and tell you about it.
    Interest
    1. Interest is calculated daily and paid annually on 30 September each year and on closure, either into the account, another Nationwide account (excluding Regular Savings and Flexclusive Regular Saver) or any current account.
    2. We will calculate interest on each whole pound in the account.
    3. The core interest rate payable on the account is variable and based on the balance in your account.
    4. In addition to the core interest rate, an introductory fixed bonus interest rate is payable for a set period applicable to the issue number of the account, after which the rate reverts to the core interest rate. Your issue number can either be found in your passbook if you have been issued with one or on the Internet Bank.
    5. At any time that the account interest rate is linked to the Bank of England base rate, changes to the account interest rate will take place within one month of a change to the Bank of England base rate.
    6. From the date of your death the ISA will receive net (with tax deducted) interest at the current Champion ISA core interest rate but never less than the lowest interest tier of the e-ISA.
    Operating the account
    1. If you transfer in funds from an existing cash ISA the funds will be returned to the originating ISA or paid into an instant access ISA and the terms and conditions of that account will apply. If this occurs a second time we reserve the right to close the Flexclusive ISA and transfer the funds into an instant access ISA and the terms and conditions of that account will apply.
    2. Withdrawals are permitted without notice or loss of interest.
  • Nine_Lives
    Nine_Lives Posts: 3,031 Forumite
    A bank/building society not thinking things through properly before putting something 'live'?

    Whatever next?!

    She'll be handing in her transfer form on Tuesday. If they don't action it, they'll be getting a complaint.

    I missed a trick though. I didn't meet their criteria for the account last year & worked out that the time spent making myself qualify would have me earning less interest vs Santanders 1yr fixed at 3.5%.

    What i didn't count on was the rates dropping so much 12 months on. So while i've only now got 2.5% to look forward to once my 3.5% matures tomorrow, the wife can switch hers to a 4.25% ISA for 6 months.
  • bondy01
    bondy01 Posts: 400 Forumite
    I think there will be an issue 2 soon. I think it won't be as high an interest rate but the bonus will be for at least a tax year. If I'm right (generally not) it may be worth not investing new money in issue 1 if issue 2 pays more interest over the year giving that issue 1 drops to 2% at the end of October. I certainly will move my online isa before the deadline though.
  • Paul_Varjak
    Paul_Varjak Posts: 4,627 Forumite
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    I think there has already been an Issue 2, launched just a few weeks after Issue 1; it has a rate of 3.5%, compared to 4.25% of Issue 1.

    I agree with the rest of what you say and remember that there are two guarantees on the interest rate for Issue 1 (not sure about Issue 2). One guarantee ends 31/10/2013 and the other on 01/01/2014.
  • princessdon
    princessdon Posts: 6,902 Forumite
    Sorry but finances are not my strength. I received the letter too re transfers. Does this mean I can transfer my Santander isa into my flex account isa?

    What then happens when the rate ends? Do I then move again?
  • innovate
    innovate Posts: 16,217 Forumite
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    Sorry but finances are not my strength. I received the letter too re transfers. Does this mean I can transfer my Santander isa into my flex account isa?

    What then happens when the rate ends? Do I then move again?

    You need to read the thread, and the T&Cs. In a nutshell, yes, you can transfer your Santander ISA if it can be transferred without penalty, and before 31 May 2013.

    When the 4.25% ends, you will go to something like 2% (unless BoE changes their rate) for a while.Probably time to move again then, yes. Or make some other decision, like Reg Saver or S&S ISA or paying off mortgage/debts or whatever is best in your situation.
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