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Bulk LPG - Cheapest suppliers / supply route?
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LittleVermin wrote: »(my bold)
Can you tell us more, please?
Is this a route people could use if they know someone else is paying far less than them?
Hi this is a reply I made to someone else but it ended up in the wrong forum
No doubt they can raise prices when ever they want but they have to raise by the same amount for everyone (THERE IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO GIVE EVERYONE A FAIR CONTRACT). THAT WILL MEAN THEY HAVE PROGRESIVELY LESS CUSTOMERS. That does not mean that everyones starting price has to be the same because you can shop around and therefore you choose to except the start price. Furthermore some companies do have there prices on the internet and therefore charge everyone exactly the same an example is http://www.extrafuel.co.uk/ who have on there internet site a price of 52.1p per Liter today...........mine charge me 37p per liter so I don't give monkeys if they keep it a secret!!!0 -
LittleVermin wrote: »(my bold)
Can you tell us more, please?
Is this a route people could use if they know someone else is paying far less than them?
NO see belowOriginally Posted by voisin
The prices charged are enormously varied and extortionate.
Having to be tied into a 2 year contract enables the supplier to progressively increase prices every few months.
All suppliers should have to openly declare their price per liter.
No doubt they can raise prices when ever they want but they have to raise by the same amount for everyone (THERE IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO GIVE EVERYONE A FAIR CONTRACT). Also THAT WILL MEAN THEY HAVE PROGRESIVELY LESS CUSTOMERS. That does not mean that everyones starting price has to be the same because you can shop around and therefore you choose to except the start price. Furthermore some companies do have there prices on the internet and therefore charge everyone exactly the same an example is http://www.extrafuel.co.uk/ who have on there internet site a price of 52.1p per Liter today...........mine charge me 37p per liter so I don't give monkeys if they keep it a secret!!!0 -
Well, a wood burning stove can have a lot to commend it (provided you can get good quality seasoned hardwood to burn at a good price). You also need to make sure you get the right size stove for the room in question - too small and it will not do the business; too large and they can end up kicking out so much heat it can get uncomfortable - in my experience, you can get them to burn slowly enough, but it you've got a large firebed, you still need to cover it to work properly, which restricts how "little" heat it kicks out! You could also consider dual fuel stoves (Coal/Wood). I've never actually burned coal in ours (I hate the stuff - nasty and messy), but it is designed to burn both types of fuel should we so wish. Coal needs an airflow from underneath to burn properly, whereas wood burns best with topflow air and a "closed" grate so the grate/venting design of the stove dictates which fuel(s) you can/can't burn in it.
It depends on the layout of your house, but if you mainly tend to live in one room, as many people do, a stove wil give you a very viable alternative to heating your living space. You can also get stoves with a back boiler that will heat water in a number of radiators or in a hot water tank. One word of warning if you consider those - make sure you get a heating engineer who knows what he's doing - the woodburner MUST be connected to a radiator etc to dump the heat, or it could boil up. Also, as far as I am aware, they pretty much always need to be connected to an OPEN vented system, whereas your typical modern boiler runs a pressurised closed system, so it is NOT as simple as just linking the woodburner to your exsiting system - that side of things needs to be designed by a heating engineer who knows what he's doing. But probably still well worth looking into. A well designed stove is dead simple to maintain and clean, and can really make even the biggest room dead cosy!
And unlike LPG, a woodburning stove and a cosy living room will ALWAYS be a good selling point if ever you decide to move
HI the email below is something I sent to someone a while back but before reading it everyone should note the following in most of the country wood IS FAR FAR MORE EXPENSIVE THAN LPG OR OIL OR EVEN COAL. In part because it is now back in fashion AND a huge amount of people buy it a wood burner for aesthetic reasons
Hello again John reference “This is a multi-fuel stove so we can burn coal on it if we wish. A useful back up.” I cannot wholly agree with you on this. Although clearly multi fuel stove will burn both I think they have a primary fuel and secondary fuel. I had decided on a little aga for my house (less than 5kw so did not need hole in wall but had one as gas fire had been in hearth previously) price was good, very aesthetically pleasing. Spent months on Internet researching but just decided to do one more check. I went to a shop which had tons of different ones in stock. Result I changed my mind and bought an ugly very pricey Scan. Ugly because it was Scandinavian and there idea of aesthetically pleasing are all straight lines or put another way a box on legs. Why? when I looked inside of the Aga it was not square the dimensions they gave were maximum while the scan was lovely and square internally with a much bigger opening which neither gave the dimensions of in there info? Either way internally the Aga was primarily a coal burner and secondary a wood burner. While the Scan was primarily a wood burner and in my opinion a very poor coal burner. I would therefore advise any one to look at the multi fuel burners in the shop before buying. Also with the benefit of hindsight the ugly flat top of the scan was perfect for boiling a couple of kettles on.
By the way prices seem to have dropped considerably for multi fuel burners as the aga was about £400 and the Scan about £700 (note only 5Kw) and if I my memory serves me right my total was above £2000. Although I had a flue pipe fitted (bungalow mind with a modern chimney which I think means lined), thingy on the top to stop birds nesting, A very large metal plate (made to measure) at the bottom and re tiled the fire place with original tiles (some of which had to be taken up). So possibly on the fitting side I did not overpay but prices must have dropped for the fires as I checked the prices elsewhere before buying from that shop. Prices lower after 3 years? Now there’s something new?
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LittleVermin wrote: »1.
A contract is a contract is a contract ... I assume it was signed and dated by both parties?
In which case this is relevant (cut and pasted from #380):
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RUBBISH there is a legal requirement for contracts to be fair. This was enforced in the case of variable rate mortgages.......where no contract existed and they could raise it by any amount they wanted and lower by any amount they wanted therefore they were forced to make one.........result.....my daughter pays 2.5% interest on her mortgagee. Now of course every new mortgagee is on a different rate? Because they offered a different rate to all NEW MORGAGEE and they had a choice of take it or leave it (go somewhere else). Basically at the start you have choice thereafter the LPG companies can only increase the price by the same amount to everyone unless you have a written contract to the contrary.0 -
FurtherLittleVermin wrote: »(my bold)
Can you tell us more, please?
Is this a route people could use if they know someone else is paying far less than them?
No contact....that in itself is an unfair contract.
I am fairly certain I have no contract and no interest having one at the price i pay.0 -
SD-253_(a.k.a._brandeberryj) wrote: »... in most of the country wood IS FAR FAR MORE EXPENSIVE THAN LPG OR OIL OR EVEN COAL. In part because it is now back in fashion AND a huge amount of people buy it a wood burner for aesthetic reasons
A fair point, but bear in mind that (unless you want to run around opening and closing radiators all the time, or install "zoned" heating) with a conventional central heating system, you are heating the whole house, not just the bit you are living in. For a lot of people (not everyone, granted) it makes a lot of sense to have a correctly sized wood/coal/multi fuel burner to heat the main living space and just put the LPG heating on for half an hour before going to bed to warm up the bedrooms etc.
Also, wood has become more expensive recently, for sure, but if you use good quality seasoned hardwood (oak, ash etc) and damp the fire right down, it is amazing how long it lasts and how much heat it chucks out. You should never use softwood (pine) etc as a burning/sustaining fuel - it's perfect as kindling and to get the fire started, but as a primary fuel, it burns way too fast, doesn't give out much heat and the resin residues can build up in the flue (you will actually tend to get more sticky rubbish going up the flue for any wood if not properly seasoned). Remember, as a rule of thumb, the more slowly a tree grows, the more of that lovely solar energy it is storing up for you to release when you burn it (which is why slow-growing hardwoods are so much better)
Another thing to remember, as I said above, is always damp the stove down and let it burn nice and slowly. A nice roaring blaze might look pretty, but the net result is that it will be dragging most of that lovely heat straight up the chimney!0 -
SD-253 (a.k.a. brandeberryj)'s latest posts have got me thinking (always dangerous!)
Does anyone have a copy of current and recent Flogas contract terms that they could let me have - not your personal info, just the small print (presumably on the reverse of the contract)?
I guess it's not likely to be viable to actually post the terms here, but if you would be able to let me have a copy by some means, could you drop me a PM, please!
Ta,
HateLPG!0 -
I definately agree with the posts about the price of wood, and that LPG is cheaper. The woodcutters around here are going to price themselves out of business if they keep on the way they have. Some charge £75 for the builders metre/cube sand bags full.
I do have somewhere my expired Flogas contract, but it will be two years out of date, is that too old ?0 -
brandeberryj wrote: »I am with Energas paying 37p a litre have been for a year although they told me that prices would have to go up about 2 months ago but never followed it through. The standing charge is actaul gas tank rental and the standard rental price is £60 a year. The latter is very reasonable in my opinion. Now when I last checked the 37p a litre was the same price as oil at 54p (the price my neighbour paid that week). Gas gives you 7.11kw while oil gives you 10.35 kw so gas has to be 30% cheaper to be the same price as oil which it was. This is of course based ON boilers being 100% efficent which obviously there not. I am also unsure about just how efficent gas biolers are relative to oil. PS this site will supply you with all the firms which will deliver to your post code. I think it is supplied by the competition authority
Hi Brandeberryj - just a 'heads-up' - you might want to check with Energas BEFORE you place a new bulk order. I was in the same position as you, similar standing charge, paying 33p a litre for bulk deliveries, and also received the September 'warning letter' re. expected price increases. I also heard no more after that, have not been notified of a firm price increase whatsover, but I've just had a tank refill - the new price is 43.5p a litre - that's almost 32% higher since end September..... and contractually, I don't see a thing I can do about it. They claim to have sent out price increase letters, but there's no way to prove that - I never received it, and you obviously didn't either, so .....0 -
Flogas are obviously very concerned about their extortionate charges. We won't have to pay them because they seem unable to supply us. Our order, made two weeks ago, is unfulfilled. Each phone call elicits a different response - I was hopeful when the lady I spoke to a few days ago said she would register it as an emergency, but subsequent calls indicate that this hasn't been done. Our tank is registering less than 5%, but today's Flogas employee informed me that it would have to be empty to get an emergency response - so it's back to the hot water bottles and heating switched on for an hour in the evening.0
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