Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

movilogo wrote: »

What exactly mis-sold about leave vote?

Good grief, how many times do you need to be told?

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/04/04/takedown-piers-morgan-brexit-tweet-viral-so-brilliantly-done/

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The detailed agenda for exit negotiations was set by the EU. Divorce settlement was first. UK should have held this back to last. UK has been left with no bargaining chips.

I agree although on the original timetable we would have had a year in the EU to sort out the future relationship. But yes the EU is not blame free in the way things have unfolded.

While I make no secret that I would still vote to remain, it seems to me that the best way of leaving would be to revoke Article 50, work out what we really want to do and then start the process again. A two year extension would come close to this.

The real problem which the EU never really took on board is that "the Irish problem" could be solved by the right kind of future relationship. Clearly there are those that maintain that continued membership of the single market like Norway is not Brexit, but I suspect the majority are more concerned with escaping the political institutions and would accept such a solution. Either way it does represent a compromise and the WA and the future relationship are inextricably linked unless you favour no-deal Brexit.

movilogo wrote: »

There was Eurosceptism in UK. The referendum was outcome of that. A problem does not go away by ignoring it.

I agree that there was an amount of Euroscepticism.



However, what the referendum did was to allow certain elements to push the idea that all of the UK's problems were to be blamed on Europe.



Whereas the truth is that most were a directly caused by the policies of UK Governments of both colours.



After all this is finished (if it ever will finish) we will still have all of the problems & will be looking for someone else to blame.


The problem doesn't go away by finding a scapegoat either.

phillw wrote: »

No, the obvious conclusion is they didn't think their vote was necessary because they assumed we would remain anyway.

There are also a lot of people who didn't vote because they didn't feel the options were clear enough. I'm not sure the situation has particularly changed, the lies leave told still have legs even though they've been thoroughly discredited.

They should not have made that assumption, if you want something badly enough you vote for it, simple.

Strangely enough i now know all the lies from both sides, or at least the ones known, and now if forced to vote again I would change my vote to leave. The eu have acted like toddlers deprived of their favourite food, and Bliar has been over there advising them on how to keep us within the eu because he wants to be president.

I don't want to be part of the eu anymore, the time is not right. A century or two down the road the world will be united, but right now i do not want to risk losing the individuality of my country. It is now known that all this was planned 40 or so years ago, they didn't mention it in the eec referendum, everyone basically decided to keep it quiet in the hope that no-one would notice what was happening before it was too late.

I want out now, before italy either implodes or leaves, if we are still stuck when that happens then the eu will blame it all on us and do their best to punish us further.

And yes, I know the remainers will rubbish all this, they tend not to like the truth.

mayonnaise wrote: »

56.8% of the Newport West electorate voted for a pro-remain party (Labour/Plaid/LD/Green/Renew) in 2019.
A constituency that voted 56% leave in an advisory, non-legally binding referendum back in 2016.

If you re-consider that statement I think you'll will find that assertion to be wholly false.