Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

movilogo

Literally almost no-one cared.

And now half the country is hating the other half.

There was Eurosceptism in UK. The referendum was outcome of that. A problem does not go away by ignoring it.


Referendum result became a problem because:


1. Govt didn't plan what would happen if leave wins.
2. For first time in history all votes were counted (unlike FPTP)

phillw

movilogo wrote: »

2. For first time in history all votes were counted (unlike FPTP)

The problem with the "will of the people" is that not everyone was forced to vote & not everyone was allowed to vote.

ukcarper wrote: »

That's what you get when Parliament was so out of touch it didn't think people would vote for leave.

The leave supporters were more inclined to vote. But you're right, parliament didn't realise just how many people had been going out there and telling people that their problems were all caused by being in the EU and prosperity would only come back to their area if they voted to leave. When people were missold PPI they got compensation, there won't be any compensation for a missold leave vote.

StevieJ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The detailed agenda for exit negotiations was set by the EU. Divorce settlement was first. UK should have held this back to last. UK has been left with no bargaining chips.

Should be fun when we go up against ultra protectionist Trump in the trade negotioations :eek: Maybe we could send Piers and Nige to negotiate? Well maybe not

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

The problem with the "will of the people" is that not everyone was forced to vote & not everyone was allowed to vote.



The leave supporters were more inclined to vote. But you're right, parliament didn't realise just how many people had been going out there and telling people that their problems were all caused by being in the EU and prosperity would only come back to their area if they voted to leave. When people were missold PPI they got compensation, there won't be any compensation for a missold leave vote.

If remain supporters were less inclined to vote they have no one to blame but themselves, just as many people were excelling the virtues of EU as were condemning them.

ukcarper

StevieJ wrote: »

Should be fun when we go up against ultra protectionist Trump in the trade negotioations :eek: Maybe we could send Piers and Nige to negotiate? Well maybe not

Hopefully he will not be there much longer.

movilogo

there won't be any compensation for a missold leave vote.

What exactly mis-sold about leave vote? The NHS 350 million has become a broken record.

Unemployment is down (lowest since 1975 ironically when UK just joined EEA )

House price is slowing down/falling (less mortgage means more money to spend on other things)

Recession didn't happen and even if that happens doesn't mean anything because it happened before while UK was in EU.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

If remain supporters were less inclined to vote they have no one to blame but themselves

So you don't care about the will of the people, just about who "won" at a fixed point in time.

With that level of distorted thinking, the country is going to hell.

A referendum is supposed to tell you what the people want, if there is any doubt that it's not a true reflection then you should ignore the result. That is why a second referendum is required.

It's actually in leavers interests to have a second referendum, it's even been supported by Farage and Mogg.

Arklight

movilogo wrote: »

What exactly mis-sold about leave vote? The NHS 350 million has become a broken record.

Unemployment is down (lowest since 1975 ironically when UK just joined EEA )

House price is slowing down/falling (less mortgage means more money to spend on other things)

Recession didn't happen and even if that happens doesn't mean anything because it happened before while UK was in EU.

The Labour Force Survey considers someone employed if they worked for one hour in the previous two weeks.

It doesn't reflect the real state of employment in the UK. The spiralling poverty and inequality under a decade of Tory mismanagement does.

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

Should be fun when we go up against ultra protectionist Trump in the trade negotioations :eek:

Love him or hate him. Do you not think that Trump raises valid concerns that affect us all.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

So you don't care about the will of the people, just about who "won" at a fixed point in time.

With that level of distorted thinking, the country is going to hell.

A referendum is supposed to tell you what the people want, if there is any doubt that it's not a true reflection then you should ignore the result. That is why a second referendum is required.

It's actually in leavers interests to have a second referendum, it's even been supported by Farage and Mogg.

That makes no sense even though I voted remain I accept that the majority of people who voted wanted to leave. I didn't so I voted remain I'm not going to blame people who wanted to leave and expressed thier preference but if people didn't want to leave but didn't vote it's thier fault we are attempting to leave. The only reasonable conclusion is that if people didn't vote they didn't care.

A second referendum would not solve the problem unless there is a large majority one way or the other but it will intensify the division already in the country, many remain supporters feel the same.