Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

The election was her biggest mistake and the Tories was making her leader.

No-one else wanted to be anywhere near that poison chalice.
I'm not even sure why she took it, though I suspect she was planning on retiring afterwards with some sort of backhander.

BobQ

ukcarper wrote: »

I agree with you regarding the back stop and the fact that and the EU insisting WA is agree before futures arrangements. I think how you feel about back stop is down to trust if like the ERG you do not trust EU you can see why they think it's a trap if like me I don't think EU are trying to trap us and its the interest of both sides to come to a deal it's notsuch a big problem.

Unfortunately that is a big problem. If things had gone to plan we would have agreed the WA months ago and be well down the track in having a sensible future relationship in place. While the EU has not helped in making that process, I suspect the discussions of the future relationship have not been helped by the efforts to appease the differences across the Tory Party. Also it is unfair to blame the EU for the fact we had no plan after the referendum, after triggering Article 50 or indeed today.

ukcarper

BobQ wrote: »

Unfortunately that is a big problem. If things had gone to plan we would have agreed the WA months ago and be well down the track in having a sensible future relationship in place. While the EU has not helped in making that process, I suspect the discussions of the future relationship have not been helped by the efforts to appease the differences across the Tory Party. Also it is unfair to blame the EU for the fact we had no plan after the referendum, after triggering Article 50 or indeed today.

That's what you get when Parliament was so out of touch it didn't think people would vote for leave.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

No-one else wanted to be anywhere near that poison chalice.
I'm not even sure why she took it, though I suspect she was planning on retiring afterwards with some sort of backhander.

Not sure why she took it either it would have been better if she hadn't.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

What happened is that we spent two years addressing the WA and even that was flawed due to the backstop issues. But the real problem was we never even started agreeing the future relationship.

The detailed agenda for exit negotiations was set by the EU. Divorce settlement was first. UK should have held this back to last. UK has been left with no bargaining chips.

Thrugelmir

ukcarper wrote: »

Not sure why she took it either it would have been better if she hadn't.

Doesn't matter who took the role on.

ukcarper

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Doesn't matter who took the role on.

Probably true might have been better if a leave supporter was in charge but even Tories have more remain MPs.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

Probably true might have been better if a leave supporter was in charge but even Tories have more remain MPs.

None of them wanted to be anywhere near it. You should have been table to tell what a mess it was going to be when Johnson, who only campaigned for leave to get a shot at PM ran for the hills when he won. I've never seen any campaigners so horrified by victory.

Someone had to do it. May is getting on in age, is in poor health and independtly loaded, so I think this was her last pop before retiring, but I don't know what she was bribed by.

It would have been best if a leaver headed up this mess; it'd stop people complaining about her being a remainer and something might actually progress so we can get on with fixing it.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

None of them wanted to be anywhere near it. You should have been table to tell what a mess it was going to be when Johnson, who only campaigned for leave to get a shot at PM ran for the hills when he won. I've never seen any campaigners so horrified by victory.

Someone had to do it. May is getting on in age, is in poor health and independtly loaded, so I think this was her last pop before retiring, but I don't know what she was bribed by.

It would have been best if a leaver headed up this mess; it'd stop people complaining about her being a remainer and something might actually progress so we can get on with fixing it.

I'm not sure it is as simple as you make out as majority of Tory MPs are pro remain so it would have been difficult to get a leave candidate on members ballot.

It would have been better if Parliament had not undermined the governments authority and a leave supporter was left to negotiate deal. Then we might have got a better deal and if we didn't people would know and could not complain Parliament stopped us.

Takedap

Herzlos wrote: »

Beyond some fringe right wingers, no-one was talking about a WTO brexit 3 years ago.

If you go back an extra year, no-one except for the aforementioned extremists were even contemplating a referendum.

Literally almost no-one cared.

And now half the country is hating the other half. Cameron has so much to answer for but he'll get off scot-free.