Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

The future trade deal is why NI is a problem, negotiating them together doesn't make a difference.
We could have kept an open border for the implementation period and then done something else.



Once the bulk of leavers discover they've been lied to they'll feel betrayed and things will get much uglier.

Voting so save the NHS and losing it anyway?
Voting to protect their jobs and losing it anyway?
Voting for less foreigners and getting more?
Voting to make life better and it getting worse?
Voting to be free of Brussels and following all the rules anyway?
Voting because they do t like Eurovision and still taking part?

If what you see comes to be which is far from certain they will not feel betrayed it the way they will feel if they will if the referendum is ignored. Anybody who thinks that you can ignore result of referendum and everything will go back to as it was before are naive at best.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

If what you see comes to be which is far from certain they will not feel betrayed it the way they will feel if they will if the referendum is ignored. Anybody who thinks that you can ignore result of referendum and everything will go back to as it was before are naive at best.

That's why I said they'll feel betrayed either way. They were promised the impossible so will either be betrayed if it's cancelled or doesn't materialise. They'll probably be better in the long run to leave and see it as lies, as that way they'll apportion blame to the liars and not the remainers, and appreciate the EU once we rejoin.

If you think carrying out a brexit will solve anything then you're deluded.

mayonnaise

Newport by-election.
Pro-remain candidate wins.
70% of the electorate still votes Tory or Labour.
Low turnout.
UKIP gets 8%
No sign of any brexiteer ballot box revolt.

cogito

mayonnaise wrote: »

Newport by-election.
70% of the electorate still votes Tory or Labour.
Low turnout.
UKIP gets 8%
No sign of any brexiteer ballot box revolt.

Why would there be when the only pro-Brexit candidate is Neil Hamilton?

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

Why would there be when the only pro-Brexit candidate is Neil Hamilton?

UKIP is pro-brexit
SDP is pro-brexit
Democrats & veterans is pro-brexit
For Britain is pro-brexit.

Haven't I told you before to stop peddling fake news?

Arklight

mayonnaise wrote: »

Newport by-election.
Pro-remain candidate wins.
70% of the electorate still votes Tory or Labour.
Low turnout.
UKIP gets 8%
No sign of any brexiteer ballot box revolt.

It's great that Ruth has held Newport. Ruth has worked in the NHS for many years and is fully behind protecting it and alleviating the biting poverty locally caused by Tory "austerity for the poor and low taxation for the rich.

Somewhat disappointing that 7,357 people apparently don't want this, would rather have much less NHS and far more poverty, and voted Tory to achieve this.

movilogo

Looking at the result, 60% of people didn't support the winning candidate.
This is the problem with FPTP system.

Brexit referendum was PR though as all votes were counted.

cogito

mayonnaise wrote: »

UKIP is pro-brexit
SDP is pro-brexit
Democrats & veterans is pro-brexit
For Britain is pro-brexit.

Haven't I told you before to stop peddling fake news?

Who are you to tell other people what to do? You who isn’t above peddling fake news yourself.

So you have a number of candidates for unknown political entities who have no funding or other means of getting their views across. I stand by what I said.

Rinoa

UKIP trebled their share of the vote.

There was a 2.5% swing from Labour to Conservatives.

ben501

mayonnaise wrote: »

Newport by-election.
Pro-remain candidate wins.
70% of the electorate still votes Tory or Labour.
Low turnout.
UKIP gets 8%
No sign of any brexiteer ballot box revolt.

One problem with statistics is that you can often twist them to suit your point.


Despite having 11 candidates, compared to 5 at the general election, and a turnout a little over half that of the GE, UKIP almost doubled their vote count, increasing from 2.5% to 8.6%.


Like you I have generalised using terms such as 'almost', but correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the normal procedure when rounding a percentage to do it to the closest number, so you should have rounded up to 9%.


And while Labour may have held the seat, they've done so with the lowest percentage of the vote since they took the seat from the Tories in 1987.


All quite meaningless, but it helps to show how irrelevant statistic can be.