Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

David Cameron saw it as a way of neutering the UKIP surge. He was worried about internal tory politics rather than the well being of the country at large! Now we know every brexit option leaves us worse off than we are now. We are a laughing stock because we are clearly putting ourselves through a process which is costing billions and will leave us worse off. Every day we have saturation wall to wall coverage of the costs of brexit.....you can tell....apart from the purists people realise it's all going wrong....but they feel compelled to respect the result of the referendum....and make the best of it.....why not call it out for what it was.....a huge mistake!

He might have instigated it but most of MPs who are now trying to overturn brexit voted to hold referendum and trigger article 50 they could have prevented this then. OK it would have cause problems but not of magnitude we now have.

Zero_Gravitas

movilogo wrote: »

Don't confuse allegation of lying with conviction for lying.

I’m not. Lies are lies - and here’s an interesting factual and evidence-based analysis of a whole load of leave liars doing exactly that:

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/04/04/takedown-piers-morgan-saying-no-deal-actually-brexit-went-viral-forensic-utterly-brutal/

movilogo

Project fear is working... for Germany

German factory orders suffer biggest plunge in a decade as stocks rally runs out of steam

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/04/04/markets-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-100german-factory-orders/

On other news:

How most of Britain now wants a NO DEAL Brexit: Poll shows only London and Scotland want to Remain in the EU if a deal isn't agreed by April 12 as almost half of voters say Theresa May should resign

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6885661/How-Britain-wants-NO-DEAL-Brexit.html

mayonnaise

movilogo wrote: »

How most of Britain now wants a NO DEAL Brexit: Poll shows only London and Scotland want to Remain in the EU if a deal isn't agreed by April 12 as almost half of voters say Theresa May should resign

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6885661/How-Britain-wants-NO-DEAL-Brexit.html

Only when no deal vs. remain.

Otherwise....

Only 25% of people would consider a No Deal Brexit to be a positive outcome. Twice as many (50%) would see it as a negative, and 37% as a "very bad" outcome. Even among Leave voters, only half see a No Deal conclusion as positive.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/04/04/what-do-public-think-about-no-deal-brexit

cogito

Rinoa wrote: »

Indeed. Remainers won by one vote cast by convicted criminal Fiona Ansanya, who walked through the lobby wearing her electronic leg tag.

And who should still be in jail.

cogito

movilogo wrote: »

Project fear is working... for Germany

German factory orders suffer biggest plunge in a decade as stocks rally runs out of steam

Good job they don't need us then or we might have some leverage with the EU.

Dippypud

Moby wrote: »

Agreed. We made a huge mistake by having a referendum. This country has always been a parliamentary democracy. Every five years we vote in representatives to deal with issues that the rest of us either have limited knowledge on or no time to read up on. The idea that the nuances of a huge complicated issue such as this could be 'put to bed' by a referendum is nonsense. For instance I don't remember one debate about the Irish border during the campaign and I wonder how many people thought about the implications for the union when they cast their ballot.

Or the other 'borders', such as Cyprus ....

Arklight

movilogo wrote: »

Project fear is working... for Germany

German factory orders suffer biggest plunge in a decade as stocks rally runs out of steam

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/04/04/markets-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-100german-factory-orders/

On other news:

How most of Britain now wants a NO DEAL Brexit: Poll shows only London and Scotland want to Remain in the EU if a deal isn't agreed by April 12 as almost half of voters say Theresa May should resign

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6885661/How-Britain-wants-NO-DEAL-Brexit.html

Which is another example of why this issue is unsuitable to be decided by an opinion poll led by right wing newspapers. No deal would be financially devastating for most of the people who (allegedly) want it and it's quite proper that Parliament should block it.

Honey_Badger

Dippypud wrote: »

Or the other 'borders', such as Cyprus ....

Why would the border with the Sovereign bases be an issue? Their military bases after all. I’m not sure you can get any harder borders than that. Plus they’ve existed from before Cyprus became an EU member.

Herzlos

mayonnaise wrote: »

And right on queue....:rotfl:

Funny how she's been voting with a tag for months and no-one was outraged until leave suffered a loss.

The cynic in me would assume they were trying to find a technical point to allow them to overturn the will of Parliament, but that'd be unfair.

I also don't remember any right wing outrage about the suspended Tory MPs being reinstated just in time for critical votes.