Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Crashy_Time

Herzlos wrote: »

Brexit will be the end of the Tories for a generation or 2 (which might end them completely), once the damage becomes apparent. All options are political suicide, except for a 2nd referendum which allows Parliament to blame the public for Brexit being cancelled.


Ironically, a 2nd referendum is also the only way in which a hard brexit can be mandated - it's in the best interests of everyone (allowing that this mess will drag on if it's a 52:48 the other way this time).





Scrapping the EU tax avoidance regulation.
Cutting workers rights, safety standards, etc will help business and property owners.
Cutting services will reduce the tax burden on the weathly.
A deep recession provides plenty of avenues for disaster capitalism - buying stuff up cheap.
No-deal Brexit will almost certainly cause the £ to drop further, allowing money to be made hedging against it (apparently, one of Farages friends made £220m betting against the £ on referendum night, fed by inside information. One of my old bosses did similar but on a smaller scale and made a few £1000's).

We then join again a few years later once the damage is done and the money made, and they enjoy the new prosperity with their expanded empires. It's brilliant, if you're already rich.

You might notice the theme there is shafting the normal people, many of whom voted for the shafting.
When someone like Jacob Reese-Mogg or Aaron Banks are encouraging you to do something, you can be certain it's for their benefit and not yours.

Stock markets are open to the public, they can place their wagers just like JRM (many are "millionaires" now thanks to pwopertee don`t forget) JRM doesn`t control 17 million plus minds, even in the wildest Remainer fantasy.

Herzlos

Have you used the stock market?
It's open to everyone but it's much more accessible to the rich, before you even get to insider trading.

phillw wrote: »

I don't know if it counts as lying, just a general part of the disinformation campaign.

He talks a lot about norway and how great it is, but doesn't say that the norway model was a valid option. Like Boris "wouldn't it be great if we gave the NHS 350 million a week".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=fNCwcTu9U6U

He would argue that he only said it would be great if we were like Norway "Rich, free, catching your own fish." and forget everything else, it's basically cake 2.0

Like all good conman they are great at suggesting things without outright stating it so that they can turn around and weasel out of it.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

One problem with that is we currently have a stonking good deal with the EU, one that will never be achieved again.

What's so stonkingly good about it. UK exports to the EU are in decline. As a net importer of food produce we suffer from EU protectionism of internal markets.

Herzlos

They aren't in decline? They are increasing in real numbers but declining as a percentage?

As for our deal; we've got full access with a stack of opt outs. Arguably the best deal anyone has currently, and not one we'd ever manage to negotiate again.

LHW99

Based on a recent poll (albeit with small sample) in MSE, No Deal still came as winner.

And all those who wish the common people didn't have a vote will be ecstatic to hear that a DM poll on This is Money today gave 88% response in favour of No Deal

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

They aren't in decline? They are increasing in real numbers but declining as a percentage?

As for our deal; we've got full access with a stack of opt outs. Arguably the best deal anyone has currently, and not one we'd ever manage to negotiate again.

Why would we want to negotiate to rejoin the eu?

Looking at the future of the eu, it might be a good idea to watch Italy, if it is not happy with the elections next month they may well leave themselves, and even if they are they are going down big time which could cause the euro to go down.

Arklight

Cooper's bill vetoing a no deal Brexit passed by 5 votes.

Brexiteers reeling.

Next vote at 10pm. If that passes no deal Brexit is off the table.

:beer:
:j

Herzlos

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisWimpress/status/1113507516695105539
"The House of Commons printer has broken down so they can't print the Cooper Bill. So now MPs are not sure what they are now debating."

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19:24 - 3 Apr 2019

Really?

Zero_Gravitas

LHW99 wrote: »

And all those who wish the common people didn't have a vote will be ecstatic to hear that a DM poll on This is Money today gave 88% response in favour of No Deal

And in other news, 88% of a small, unrepresentative sample of bears prefer to defecate in the woods...

Arklight

The HMS Brexit encounters a problem (and no they didn't think to pack any life rafts).