Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

AG47

Herzlos wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisWimpress/status/1113507516695105539
"The House of Commons printer has broken down so they can't print the Cooper Bill. So now MPs are not sure what they are now debating."

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19:24 - 3 Apr 2019

Really?

Somebody somewhere wants no del still an option

phillw

movilogo wrote: »

That is an opinion. No one knows what might happen in future. After No Deal Brexit EU will face lot of pain - some countries more than others. So, equation is very volatile.

On the balance of probability the EU will face very little pain and the UK will face a lot more pain.

This is because we are small and 50% of our exports go to the EU, only 10% of their exports go to the UK.

Anyone selling you the idea that not knowing the future means it's possible the EU will face much more pain than the UK, is manipulating you for their own ends.

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Stock markets are open to the public, they can place their wagers just like JRM (many are "millionaires" now thanks to pwopertee don`t forget) JRM doesn`t control 17 million plus minds, even in the wildest Remainer fantasy.

The 17 million sheep being slaughtered don't have the contacts to do the deals that JRM does.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's so stonkingly good about it. UK exports to the EU are in decline. As a net importer of food produce we suffer from EU protectionism of internal markets.

We don't need to ever take the Euro, we don't pay our fair share thanks to the rebate. There are loads of things.

UK exports to the EU are irrelevant, we also benefit from their superior international trade deals that we don't have the clout to match. It's unfortunate that we want the right to do inferior trade deals, but that is what the flag wavers want

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Why would we want to negotiate to rejoin the eu?

Because it will be better for everyone in the UK. You shouldn't believe the scare mongering that the EU is about to collapse and we need to get out quick. Project fear continues, it was always a leave tactic to pretend that the fear was coming from remain.

313 to 312 was close, lets see what the Lords make of it.

https://www.thejournal.ie/john-bercow-deadlock-house-of-commons-4575560-Apr2019/

This indicative voting is a great idea. Had they done it three years ago before having a referendum, rather than four days after they were supposed to leave the EU, the world would have been impressed and the UK would be viewed as a mature and stable democracy, rather than a laughing stock.

I'm sure TM is kicking herself as DC even had a majority then. I'm not sure I'd have preferred the result that would have bought though.

What is clear though, we can't allow brexiteers that want to leave the EU at any cost cannot be allowed to be involved in the process. The out of touch elite have done enough damage to the country already and must be stopped dead in their tracks.

It'll be interesting what effect bercow casting a vote for noes will have

cogito

phillw wrote: »

What is clear though, we can't allow brexiteers that want to leave the EU at any cost cannot be allowed to be involved in the process. The out of touch elite have done enough damage to the country already and must be stopped dead in their tracks.

It would be much more accurate to say that those who want to remain in the EU at any cost should not be allowed to be involved in the process. They are the ones directly responsible for the farce that parliament has become.

And the out of touch elite are the likes of Soubry, Umunna, Grieve and Cooper. They are the ones who should be stopped in their tracks. Fortunately, the electorate will give them their marching orders in due course.

ryanmaryland

I'm confused with bringing in other nationality ie. the Americans with the Brexit. It should first be decided by the people who will be largely affected by this change. And let the people. But before letting them decide make them understand better on how it works and how it can affect them. Cats are affected too, you know.

movilogo

1 vote difference in parliament able to override 1 million vote difference.

This is the real face of democracy in UK.

ben501

Anyone care to explain what difference this latest bill is actually likely to make?
I'm still trying to work it out, but from what I can tell, along with a little help from https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/03/cooper-letwin-brexit-no-deal-distraction , it's a relatively pointless piece of legislation.


So May will have to adopt her best Oliver Twist impersonation, and ask the EU for more time. What then? There's nothing to stop the EU saying no, which they've already suggested they might if UK doesn't sort themselves out.


From what I read, there's still nothing to stop us crashing out on the 12th with no deal.

Moby

Theophile wrote: »

Yes, it's called Parliamentary Democracy.

Agreed. We made a huge mistake by having a referendum. This country has always been a parliamentary democracy. Every five years we vote in representatives to deal with issues that the rest of us either have limited knowledge on or no time to read up on. The idea that the nuances of a huge complicated issue such as this could be 'put to bed' by a referendum is nonsense. For instance I don't remember one debate about the Irish border during the campaign and I wonder how many people thought about the implications for the union when they cast their ballot.

Herzlos

movilogo wrote: »

1 vote difference in parliament able to override 1 million vote difference.

This is the real face of democracy in UK.

You can't argue that one narrow margin is valid whilst another isn't. If 50%+1 Is good enough for the referendum it's good enough for parliament.

Brexiteers seem to be in an outrage and trying to find any excuse to invalidate it. Sound familiar?
Current ideas so far: it was debated too quick, one of the MPs has a tag, they are all traitors.

Tromking

Theophile wrote: »

Yes, it's called Parliamentary Democracy.

It was a failure in our parliamentary democracy that our continued membership of the EU could not not debated and decided upon by our elected representatives. Instead they abrogated their duty and offloaded the decision to the demos.
The same political cowardice that gave us the referendum in the first place is at work in denying the referendum result today.
I’m struck that our democratic structures all of a sudden appear to me as very old and not fit for purpose.
Any party in the future that offers us democratic reform, will be getting my vote.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

Agreed. We made a huge mistake by having a referendum. This country has always been a parliamentary democracy. Every five years we vote in representatives to deal with issues that the rest of us either have limited knowledge on or no time to read up on. The idea that the nuances of a huge complicated issue such as this could be 'put to bed' by a referendum is nonsense. For instance I don't remember one debate about the Irish border during the campaign and I wonder how many people thought about the implications for the union when they cast their ballot.

Who made the mistake the vast majority of MPs who are now trying to stop brexit, they let the genie out the bottle and there is no putting it back in know.