Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Thrugelmir

ukcarper wrote: »

True but accepting a deal would be a start

The talks with the EU on a future relationship haven't even commenced yet..... Nor do we know if EU member states will themselves accept the deal as drafted. Bound to be some more curved balls thrown.

Bigger concern is the epidemic of knife crime that prevails in this country, in particular London at the current time. Without doubt drug related. People don't go out walking the streets tooled up without reason.

ukcarper

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The talks with the EU on a future relationship haven't even commenced yet..... Nor do we know if EU member states will themselves accept the deal as drafted. Bound to be some more curved balls thrown.

True but unless we don't leave we will have to face that anyway, it my opinion it would have been better if we hadn't had referendum but we are where we are.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Bigger concern is the epidemic of knife crime that prevails in this country, in particular London at the current time. Without doubt drug related. People don't go out walking the streets tooled up without reason.

Nothing to do with Tory cuts to policing, social work and youth projects I take it?
Do you reckon brexit will make things better or worse, if there's less jobs and a weaker economy?

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't think that is as conclusive as you make out

It is, it just doesn't play well with leave voters and because they "won" they want to be the ones in charge of history.

What people pretend they voted for now is quite different to what they thought they were voting for at the time.

AG47

Herzlos wrote: »

Nothing to do with Tory cuts to policing, social work and youth projects I take it?
Do you reckon brexit will make things better or worse, if there's less jobs and a weaker economy?

Definitely worse. Remember the 2011 riots?

Just look at the yellow vest freedom fighters in Paris.

Things are going to be quite ugly here in the uk for sometime, and it’s only just starting.

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The talks with the EU on a future relationship haven't even commenced yet..... Nor do we know if EU member states will themselves accept the deal as drafted. Bound to be some more curved balls thrown.

Bigger concern is the epidemic of knife crime that prevails in this country, in particular London at the current time. Without doubt drug related. People don't go out walking the streets tooled up without reason.

What has this got to do with negotiating a Brexit deal? Otherwise, it's always nice to see Tory voters be surprised when they get exactly what they've voted for.

Enterprise_1701C

This is exactly the reason why the eu did not want to negotiate the divorce deal at the same time as the trade deal. Had they done that then Ireland would not have been a problem. However, as Bliar has been advising them all along, they have taken the most caustic route possible in an effort to make us stay in the eu.

They want us in the eu to help bail out Italy, they are in worse trouble than Greece were and if they go down it won't just be the eu that feels the repercussions, but at least if we are out we won't be quite so open to the problems it will cause. And if, on the off chance, they do not go down, there is a very good chance they will leave the eu if the elections do not go their way, so of course the eu want us to hang around to help pay for that. You imagine those hard won rebates will hang around for very long?

Herzlos

The future trade deal is why NI is a problem, negotiating them together doesn't make a difference.
We could have kept an open border for the implementation period and then done something else.

ukcarper wrote: »

I believe the unicorn is something some remain supports have constructed, there is a difference to feeling betrayed and disappointed all of your expectations haven't been meet.

Once the bulk of leavers discover they've been lied to they'll feel betrayed and things will get much uglier.

Voting so save the NHS and losing it anyway?
Voting to protect their jobs and losing it anyway?
Voting for less foreigners and getting more?
Voting to make life better and it getting worse?
Voting to be free of Brussels and following all the rules anyway?
Voting because they do t like Eurovision and still taking part?

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

This is exactly the reason why the eu did not want to negotiate the divorce deal at the same time as the trade deal. Had they done that then Ireland would not have been a problem. However, as Bliar has been advising them all along, they have taken the most caustic route possible in an effort to make us stay in the eu.

They want us in the eu to help bail out Italy, they are in worse trouble than Greece were and if they go down it won't just be the eu that feels the repercussions, but at least if we are out we won't be quite so open to the problems it will cause. And if, on the off chance, they do not go down, there is a very good chance they will leave the eu if the elections do not go their way, so of course the eu want us to hang around to help pay for that. You imagine those hard won rebates will hang around for very long?

Theresa May popped Article 50 as soon as she scraped through her election "win" by cosying up with a bunch of militant religious fundamentalists from Northern Ireland who a blind man in a dark room could see would wreck any agreement on a differentiated Northern Irish border as soon as it arose.

She then spent the next two years doing nothing at all while the EU asked repeatedly what she wanted without an answer.

We are now in a right royal mess and as a country it is our fault and it's time for us to face up to it rather than this stupid British disease of blaming everything on everyone and everything else.

It's our fault for invading a part of someone else's country and creating a perpetual mess that can boil into sectarian war at any moment.

It's our fault for voting in stupid lazy politicians who have never spent a day in their lives without a 12 figure trust fund to fall back on and then letting them lie to an ill educated gullible populous that takes their opinions from foreign owned right wing news conglomerates.

How you can blame the EU for this fiasco is beyond me. We haven't coherently asked them for a single thing apart from May's baffling 500 page Brexit agreement, which they gave us at very short notice but which we apparently don't want.

During this process we've treated EU citizens based here like hostages or carriers of the plague, while the EU has promised citizenship to Brits who want it.

Britain just looks like a stupid spoiled child of a country and it isn't because of the EU.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

It is, it just doesn't play well with leave voters and because they "won" they want to be the ones in charge of history.

What people pretend they voted for now is quite different to what they thought they were voting for at the time.

I think people look for articles that reinforce thier point of view and don't look at it from the point of view of other side. This then entrenches thier position and we end up where we are now.