Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Takedap

BikingBud wrote: »

So those "some people who did nothing" have no real grounds for not being educated about the options then? And even less grounds to complain afterwards that they didn't understand.

The ones who are likely to lose most are the ones who can afford it the least.


The ones baying for a no-deal Brexit are often the ones who think they have nothing to lose.


When they lose what little they have, they will be complaining the loudest.



The reason that they will not be riding their unicorns to work is much more fundamental than not having a unicorn. It'll be having to job to ride to.

BikingBud

Moby wrote: »

This Brexit is going to go on for years. There is not going to be a clean break. That's just puerile nonsense. Look at the trouble the withdrawal agreement is causing; the political declaration is the future relationship and we haven't started on that yet! You were lied to by politicians who you should never have trusted.

I recognise that this will drag out for a number of years, that is unfortunately the by-produce of a talking shop democracy, bit like a student union really.

But what the politicians should be also be doing in recognition should be to address the long term damage and act accordingly rather than just squabbling.

BikingBud

Takedap wrote: »

The ones who are likely to lose most are the ones who can afford it the least.


The ones baying for a no-deal Brexit are often the ones who think they have nothing to lose.


When they lose what little they have, they will be complaining the loudest.



The reason that they will not be riding their unicorns to work is much more fundamental than not having a unicorn. It'll be having to job to ride to.

Sorry I do not see the correlation between my observation and your statements.

Are you linking those that investigated the least with those that will lose out the most?

If so its called ownership, the same point as the Newport by election, do not complain when you don't like the result if you don't vote!

cogito

Takedap wrote: »

The ones who are likely to lose most are the ones who can afford it the least.


The ones baying for a no-deal Brexit are often the ones who think they have nothing to lose.


When they lose what little they have, they will be complaining the loudest.



The reason that they will not be riding their unicorns to work is much more fundamental than not having a unicorn. It'll be having to job to ride to.

So being tied to a protectionist, sclerotic, malign and undemocratic proto-empire will guarantee our future prosperity?

Some of us have far more confidence in the ability of the UK to prosper outside the EU. Unlike the pessimistic remainers like those who populate this forum.

BikingBud

Takedap wrote: »

Because this has been sold to us as a permanent, never go back decision.


And on something as important as this, I'm sure that you would agree that we should make sure that we get it right.


At the moment this is not by any means certain.

Nothing is ever fixed.

For something as important as this; 72% of the electorate voted, about twice the figure for the Newport by election. The fact that you feel that they got it wrong is your perspective but it does not make it wrong.

Takedap

BikingBud wrote: »

Nothing is ever fixed.

For something as important as this; 72% of the electorate voted, about twice the figure for the Newport by election. The fact that you feel that they got it wrong is your perspective but it does not make it wrong.

Absolutely right.

My opinion is no more guaranteed to be right than yours is.

So let's make sure that it's what the electorate really want before we do anything rash eh?
After all, if I try to delete an email, my computer asks me if I'm sure. This is too important to get wrong.

SpiderLegs

Takedap wrote: »

Because this has been sold to us as a permanent, never go back decision.

I voted on that basis.

If it now turns out that this is not true then my participation in that vote was pointless.

If parties choose to go back on the outcome of that vote then I cannot put any trust in them, regardless of what they will say in the future. The actions of both labour and tories over the last three years has been reprehensible.

And on something as important as this, I'm sure that you would agree that we should make sure that we get it right.

I am 99.9999% certain that if the first result had been the other way round then there would not be a (made up) million enraged temporary democrats shouting outside parliament.

BikingBud

But who says what's wrong or right. The positions are so entrenched we could consider building a supercomputer a la Hitchikers and wait so long we forget what the questions was.

People aren't going to die over this. They did when Bliar decided to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, and many more died when we didn't go into other areas the maybe we should have.

We should deliver against the peoples' wishes and get on with life, concentrating on how we can develop and grow.

Takedap

cogito wrote: »

So being tied to a protectionist, sclerotic, malign and undemocratic proto-empire will guarantee our future prosperity?

Some of us have far more confidence in the ability of the UK to prosper outside the EU. Unlike the pessimistic remainers like those who populate this forum.

Being a full member of the worlds largest trading area might help. The EU is the worlds largest trader of manufactured goods & services.
You may have confidence but what are you basing it on?

I'm looking at the state of the country before we joined compared to now.

I'm listening to the people who actually run the businesses & make the money.
I'm listening to the politicians who know much more about treaties & law than I do.


And you??

Takedap

BikingBud wrote: »

People aren't going to die over this.

I hope you're right. Too late for Jo Cox though isn't it?