Disabled parking bays

To start off let me say that I understand the needs of people with disablities so please don't be personaly offended

Why is there 12 Disabled parking bays and only 4 Parent and child bays out side my local B&Q.

Who does more DIY, a disabled person that is unable to walk to the shop entrance and back OR a young family trying to save money by doing it themselves ???

Further more If they can't walk the distance to the shop door then how do they walk around the store. Yes wider bays help and yes specialised trollys / vehicles being near the parking spot help.

But the chances of them being knocked down by a car or trolly compared to that of a small kid. Some what less I feel.

Further more. Parent and child does not mean you can use them with your 15 year old son. !!!



  • markedgarmarkedgar Forumite
    61 Posts
    I think you may offend some people, but I agree with your sentiments.

    Very rarely do I or my wife ever get a spot for our car when we have the little one with us - and as she's only 2.5, this is 99.9% of the time.

    Old biddies with their grown-up daughter and no (young) kids park in the parents and toddler bays.  I've seen them.  Mum's without kids too - I've seen them.  Old couples who pretend they can't read (we can all do that) do too - I've seen it all.  Yet you can't say anything can you?

    What all stores need is some way of preventing people parking in these bays first of all and as that costs money, it's unlikely to happen.  It would be best to do away with them altogether.

    I agree with the comment regarding more disabled bays than parent and toddler bays.  There are - and they are rarely ever full with disabled drivers!

    No grudge with disabled drivers, but there's something not quite right here.  As you say, who exactly is the most vulnerable party: a disabled man in his 30's or a naive one year old?

    Yes, let's have more accessible shops, stores, etc for the disabled - no problem with that - but what about parents with kids.  

    How many times have you held a door for somebody (generally something us blokes appear to do better than the other half [based on personal experience, not an opinion]) only to find that when you need help with a load of stuff and the little one won't stay still, nobody holds it for you?

    Common courtesy.  It costs nothing - and it doesn't bother me to be courteous. That's what a lot of people don't have any more.  

    Just think which type of driver is more likely to let you out in front of them too (again based on personal experience, whoever I have been with, while driving or not)!

    I think we all know the answer...

    ;)Mark E

    -and no offence intended to anybody-
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  • GalstonianGalstonian Forumite
    1.3K Posts
    Why can't you say anything? I do and if my wife is with me she gives me hell for it. Why should we be silent? >:(

    And as for "naive one year olds" I wasn't aware they came in any other variety or do you get gangs of streetwise hip one year olds round your way? ;) ;D
  • markedgarmarkedgar Forumite
    61 Posts
    You can't always say something because we don't always see the whole story or know all the facts.

    If a couple went into a supermarket for example and only one adult returned to the car (for whatever reason), what do you say? I have actually seen this. No kids present! Yet they've parked in the parent and toddler space.

    The other reason not to is abuse. We all know what the score is these days, wherever you live - and it seems the female species (an old people) are particularly good at getting away with whatever it is they want; my wife included when she wants (and she's usually quite placid).

    As for naive one year olds - yes, they all are. A descriptive term Galstonian. Are you nit-picking?

    I have to say that my wife and I avoid shopping as best we can as it's just too much hassle sometimes. People are so rude, crash into you with their trolley, always walk at you (why do they do that?) and generally couldn't give a damn about anybody - including genuine disabled drivers.

    We use the net to buy everything we need (within reason) apart from food as it's always nice to pick your own (food that is).

    Anyhow, when is somebody going to come up with a scheme for blokes? Is there anything we are allowed to do or not do these days?

    How about a 'bloke and kiddie space'; 'bloke on his own space'; 'bloke with his mates space'

    Whatever next...

    ;)Mark E

    PS: Don't you hate those people that stand so blimmin closed to you at the till or cashpoint, you would think that they're paying or withdrawing money? Why do they do that?
    No reliance should be placed on the above.
  • PalPal Forumite
    2.1K Posts
    They do have "bloke on their own" spaces. They are the empty ones furthest away from the doors to whereever you are going. The spaces blokes deliberately avoid parking in.

    You will also notice that cinemas and pubs have "Morons with crap cars and loud music spaces" - usually on the pavement right outside the door or in the middle of the road blocking everyone else.

    In practice I believe that the number of disabled parking spaces is set by local councils as part of the planning permission for the car park, rather than being optional for the owner. Local councils no doubt have arbitary government targets to meet.

    My only gripe about disabled parking spaces is that they cannot be used if the rest of the car park is full. I have no problem with using my perfectly healthly legs to walk for a minute or so from a more distant space, but it is a bit annoying to not be able to park at all while a bunch of spaces sit empty (or full of non-disabled driver's cars!).

    I also do not understand why supermarkets insist on making you get a parent and child parking permit so that you can use the spaces and then they don't enforce them. Why bother? I assume it is only to get your personal details so they can bombard your house with junk mail.
  • PalPal Forumite
    2.1K Posts
    p.s. Pakman - while centering and colouring your posts makes them stand out, they are a bit painful to read, especially on the white background this site uses.

    Does anyone know how to change the background colour?
  • pakmanpakman Forumite
    25 Posts
    Hey Pal

    my signature is Purple, but being written in an agree tone I thought that red would be best suited.

    I agree red is hard to read.

  • laminkilaminki Forumite
    140 Posts
    I've figured out how to make the background flash between orange and pink.... but sorry Pakman, you're the last person I'm gonna tell how to do that! ;) otherwise we'll all be MSEs, Money Savers with Eyestrain! (or epilepsy) but hey, then you'll get that coveted parking space.

    (what's the world coming to! What the heck's wrong with WALKING from the bloody car to the store then pushing the goods from the store to the car in a trolley? Sheeez, if you wanna shop without moving an inch use the INTERNET and stop whining. Alternatively you can invent a DIY shop with aisles wide enough to DRIVE AROUND then you won't need a parking space, YOU LAZY LOT!)
  • PalPal Forumite
    2.1K Posts
    I agree with Laminki. I really annoys me when I get stuck behind some idiot who is sitting waiting for a space in a car park when they could keep driving and use any of the hundreds of free spaces one level up. In most cases they use elevators anyway so don't even have to climb another set of stairs! Scared of burning off a bit of their excess blubber no doubt.

    I have figured out a way of doing my DIY without leaving my car or my home. His name is Darren and he does the work while I am out of the way. Not a money saving tip but it certainly saves me some energy and time, which I then waste down the gym instead.
  • CaterinaCaterina Forumite
    5.9K Posts
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    Hi all

    With regard to able-bodied people finding others' parking habits irritating:

    This is not meant to be anti-car evangelical in any way, but just a suggestion: have you considered (at least those of you without small kids) giving up the car altogether? We did it two years ago - much to our teenagers' disgust! - and we haven't looked back!

    We now shop mainly using reclaimed old-biddy trolleys, one was found broken in the street and fixed, the other was given to us broken and we fixed that too! When we need heavy stuff we catch a minicab or ask car owning friends to give us a lift (very very occasionally!).

    In two years we only hired a vehicle twice, once to get some big stuff from IKEA and the other to go to a friends' reunion out of the way of public transport. In both occasions we used Rent a Wreck (£20 per day all in) and made sure that we did a massive 'heavy goods' supermarket shopping as well, saving us nearly four quid on each trip (thus reducing the real rental cost to £16 per day!).

    It can be done if you live in a town with good public transport.

    It saved us a lot of money and made us fitter because we now walk a lot more. We are considering starting using our bikes but we are still a bit wary of London traffic.

    Best wishes

    Finally I'm an OAP and can travel free (in London at least!).
  • Well done Caterina!

    Tip: Use your bikes.

    London is difficult (I have cycled within several cities in the UK) and while I haven't done so recently, it isn't easy. Bizarrely, I do get a buz from it as you have to have your wits about you.

    Nevertheless, it is worth a go. While there may be heavy traffic, it generally flows slower. However, don't try routes that are notoriously difficult to navigate - I've been there in London, Manchester, Nottingham, Leicester and Luton (of all places) and some areas are really no-go areas for unsure or inexperienced cyclists.

    What stops most people getting rid of their prized car(s) in the UK is one thing alone: their image. Cars are a (perceived) status symbol (like mobile phones), and sadly many Brits follow this pathetic route that the Americans perfected. It is also very easy (but expensive) to have and hop into your own car!

    My wife and I eagerly await delivery of our first cycle trailer for the little one. We haven't cycled for ages and we're determined not to buy another vehicle (one's enough).

    I remember too a time when I said to my wife that she will have sell her car when she fell pregnant and there was no way I could have funded two vehicles (we worked in complete opposite directions: 23 miles and 32 miles from home, with terrible public transport routes). her mum and sister's faces when they found out! My wife's joy when she realised it was the right thing to do!

    Many of us do things (almost subconsciously) simply because others do it too.

    And anyway, the bike, like our legs and horses, were around before the car, so pedestrians, horses and cyclists should always have priority! :-*

    ;)Mark E
    No reliance should be placed on the above.
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