Dangerous dogs with children

lostinrates

suki1964 wrote: »

I have an English cocker spaniel and we all know how cute they are dont we? ......Now my dogs breed isn't known to the media as being viscous but Im not the only spaniel owner who will say their dog can be bloody nasty at times AS CAN ALL DOGS REGARDLESS OF BREED

Actually Cockers are strongly associated with Rage Syndrome (sudden unprovoked atacks) I believe that golden coloured dogs are more likely to suffer from Rage syndrome and that breeders are highly aware of it. Its something to be taken very seriously with cockers

I reiterate, MY giant breed of dog (not so far mentioned) is meant to be reliable with children, its got egends written about it, but nevertheless I would not put one of them in the position of having to restrain itself under protection, accidental or otherwise, from a small child.



In this instance the OWNERS have proven themselves irresponsible by their failure to train this dog. I would not trust the OWNERS in this situation. I do not think rehomeing a dog with a dubious history fair o THE DOG because he risks being subuect to confusion and agression from future owners as well as causing harm (regardless of what breed he is)

suki1964

tbain wrote: »

You blatantly want an argument, find one elsewhere! Your type normally does! Refuse to answer any more of your posts. Have a nice life!

Oh grow up. My type indeed )

Do you know what my type is?

I dont want an argument , I'm falling on the floor laughing over how seriously you are taking yourself. You have had a dog five mins yourself, knew so little about the breed you were purchasing that just only days before you were on here looking advice, and now come on here insisting that there are dogs called lockjaws and that no one else has a clue cos you read in in the papers.

Now Im not saying I know it all but Id never go spouting from the news unless I could follow it up with proven facts

Misty_Blue

tbain wrote: »

It is not because you hold different views, it is because you came on this thread and challenged every post I've made, asking for evidence of this and that and going on about your own dog.

Far from "going on" about my own dog, I merely gave one example of a large breed and asked if you would have concerns about it living with children. This was actually motivated by a genuine interest and a wish to understand your viewpoint better.

As for asking for you to back up what you say, how is that unreasonable? I've been able to reinforce my opinion with fact and logic. You on the other hand threw the toys out of the pram some time ago while I have remained calm and polite. I also find it laughable that you're so quick to report another poster when you have on several occasions been rude and insulting to me during the course of this thread.

tbain wrote: »

Perhaps we should gracefully ignore eachother in the future because that is what I intend to do!

Since you're going to ignore all my further posts, I expect I just wasted my time in typing this. Never mind, I'll cope. Unless of course you're one of those people who say they're going to ignore someone but can't resist having that one last niggle. But since you've been quick to condemn other posters for wanting to carry on an argument, no doubt you won't.

Anyway, enjoy your evening.

tbain

suki1964 wrote: »

Oh grow up. My type indeed )

Do you know what my type is?

I dont want an argument , I'm falling on the floor laughing over how seriously you are taking yourself. You have had a dog five mins yourself, knew so little about the breed you were purchasing that just only days before you were on here looking advice, and now come on here insisting that there are dogs called lockjaws and that no one else has a clue cos you read in in the papers.

Now Im not saying I know it all but Id never go spouting from the news unless I could follow it up with proven facts

It doesn't take much to make you laugh then! Get a life, and stop keeping arguments going! You have been reported!

LillyJ

I cannot believe how petty this thread has become from someone who clearly knows very little indeed about dogs. It is a great shame as this naivety has lead to hundreds of staffs being abandoned as people are reading sensationalised newspaper headlines about them.
A labrador is larger and stronger than a staff, and many many people keep these dogs with children.
My own dog is very large, and is a cross with one of the larger types of dog that has already been mentioned here as being vicious, but is mainly lab.

My dog would never hurt a person. However I would never leave a child alone with him, regardless of what breed he is. My main concern with my own dog is his sheer size and the fact that he likes to sit on people's laps (which could hurt a child) and also the fact that he likes to lick people, which might scare a child. However some lovely dogs are scared but children poking them etc, so they might snap if a child did this. This does not make them a bad dog.

We "test" our dog, by taking his food from him when he is eating, stroking him with he has a bone, waking him up from sleep etc, and he never reacts. He also loves children and seems to be calmer around them, maybe as he knows they need to be treated more gently as they are smaller than him?

Anyway the point is that the breed of a dog alone cannot be used as an indicator to temperament, especially in crosses (which technically all staffs are). The dog itself is the best indicator to this.

My dog is a great big dozy idiot and wouldn't hurt a fly, but he has a breed in him which some consider dangerous. The fact is, my dog is a family pet, who lives with us, does not guard and is trained well. He is not a "hardman" dog at all, and we are responsible owners. It is unfortunate that some dog owners have felt it necessary to bring down the names of certain breeds just because they look "hard".

Any dog can bite, any dog can be a great family pet.

suki1964

lostinrates wrote: »

Actually Cockers are strongly associated with Rage Syndrome (sudden unprovoked atacks) I believe that golden coloured dogs are more likely to suffer from Rage syndrome and that breeders are highly aware of it. Its something to be taken very seriously with cockers

I reiterate, MY giant breed of dog (not so far mentioned) is meant to be reliable with children, its got egends written about it, but nevertheless I would not put one of them in the position of having to restrain itself under protection, accidental or otherwise, from a small child.



In this instance the OWNERS have proven themselves irresponsible by their failure to train this dog. I would not trust the OWNERS in this situation. I do not think rehomeing a dog with a dubious history fair o THE DOG because he risks being subuect to confusion and agression from future owners as well as causing harm (regardless of what breed he is)

Actually rage syndrome in cocker's is a lot rarer then is led to believe.

Cockers are wilful,possessive dogs and need very firm handling from day one and once again many new time owners to the breed are caught unaware and find themselves with nippy little pups they become afraid to handle so pup becomes a law unto himself teen who is then thought to have rage and destroyed (easy way of dealing with a poorly trained dog)

There was once though that rage only affected red Cockers as at the time reds were being over bred commercially so bad breeding was being bred in them again and again. This is why I chanpion only buying pedigree dogs through reputable, respected breeders and not from the woman down the road who's !!!!! got caught or god forbid a pet shop

Rage doesn't just effect cockers, its just more known in cockers as cockers are one of the most popular affected breeds in this country.

Linda Ward has a very informative website about Rage Syndrome
http://www.cockerspanielrage.org.uk/index.htm

Hawthorn

You know Suki, I didn't know that. My mums second dog was a cocker. A blue Roan rather than the red type mind. He was so so daft. Not a willful bone in his body. I guess he was the exception, rather than the rule

lostinrates

suki1964 wrote: »

Actually rage syndrome in cocker's is a lot rarer then is led to believe.

Cockers are wilful,possessive dogs and need very firm handling from day one and once again many new time owners to the breed are caught unaware and find themselves with nippy little pups they become afraid to handle so pup becomes a law unto himself teen who is then thought to have rage and destroyed (easy way of dealing with a poorly trained dog)

There was once though that rage only affected red Cockers as at the time reds were being over bred commercially so bad breeding was being bred in them again and again. This is why I chanpion only buying pedigree dogs through reputable, respected breeders and not from the woman down the road who's !!!!! got caught or god forbid a pet shop

Rage doesn't just effect cockers, its just more known in cockers as cockers are one of the most popular affected breeds in this country.

Linda Ward has a very informative website about Rage Syndrome
http://www.cockerspanielrage.org.uk/index.htm

Thanks for the link.

I think the thing is that cocker breeders acted very responsibly in breeding programmes to minimise this, and yes, its certaonly not just cockers who suffer from it, never meant to imply that.

suki1964

Oh and my cocker would most likely lick a person to death is he was allowed to, as would my last one But also they would attack anyone who laid a finger on me and would also get very shirty about their space being invaded by other male dogs

Would I trust any dog with my grandchild? No way. Not even my own dogs are left alone in the room/garden with the child. It is up to us as responsible owners to ensure its not our dog we are reading about in the Sunday papers - regardless of breed

Misty_Blue

suki1964 wrote: »

It is up to us as responsible owners to ensure its not our dog we are reading about in the Sunday papers - regardless of breed

And so say all of us! :T