Council moves chavs into £200k new builds

melancholly

Microstar wrote: »

No, money does not make a better person. My father was very poor in his early life, but incredibly hard working and brought himself up to the average. I have move on from him.
Many people today ARE poor because they are lazy and/or ignorant. There have never been more opportunities for self-improvement than there are today. Education is thrown at people from all directions - but many don't want it. They prefer to sit on their backsides watching daytime TV, growing increasingly obese and procreating with the rest of the street whilst the state picks up the tab. Meanwhile hard-working East Europeans come in and get work, learn English and improve their lives.

Yes, call it a snobby attitude, but frankly I don't care. I want the best for me and my family. I don't want to rub shoulders with the underclass. I'm not hypocritical about it.

i agree with what you're saying about SOME people, but i strongly object to the suggestion that all people receiving help from the council fall into this 'underclass'. some people are lazy and others need a hand to get on their feet (for a whole variety of reasons). your inabilty to see the individual because of your strong stereotyping is a real shame, as i can only imagine how such a judgemental, superior attitude impacts on the rest of your life.

Lotus-eater

Microstar wrote: »

I certainly don't want to live somewhere with a load of HA or LA tenants, 'works' vans parked up in the driveway (so many residential areas look like small industrial estates),

Oh god how awful, people who work for a living, actually bringing their work vans home.
At least you are honest, thats your only redeeming feature I think.

Personally I wouldn't like to live on a council estate either, but then I wouldn't use words like "scum" or "underclass".
What a repulsive person you are.

Benefits_Blagger

melancholly wrote: »

i agree with what you're saying about SOME people, but i strongly object to the suggestion that all people receiving help from the council fall into this 'underclass'. some people are lazy and others need a hand to get on their feet (for a whole variety of reasons). your inabilty to see the individual because of your strong stereotyping is a real shame, as i can only imagine how such a judgemental, superior attitude impacts on the rest of your life.

but would you live with or near the underclass given the choice ? exposing your children your children to risk of recently released paedophiles ? or your own safety by running the risk of being battered by the feral inbred offspring and ending up 6 feet under like gary newlove ?

why take the risk if you can afford not to ?

mitchaa

To be fair, if you are homed in a council/HA home you are not doing too well for yourself in life and you are classed as a lower class.

It's not a stereotype, its fact.

Microstar may come across as snobby but i agree with what he is saying, you need to work hard to succeed. This starts from an early age all the way back to school (usually) Some people are just destined to fail.

I agree with a lot though, i wouldn't class everyone homed in council houses, chavs. That is wrong. Being poor does not mean you are a chav, chav is defined as your general appearance, your attitude, manners, the way you talk etc.

melancholly

Benefits_Blagger wrote: »

but would you live with or near the underclass given the choice ? exposing your children your children to risk of recently released paedophiles ? or your own safety by running the risk of being battered by the feral inbred offspring and ending up 6 feet under like gary newlove ?

why take the risk if you can afford not to ?

living near a council house or in an area with HAs means that children are at a higher risk from paedophiles?! :rotfl::rotfl:

man, that is the most stupid post on MSE i have ever read. genius! (you are of course aware that the majority of the time horrible things happen to children it's done by friends/family?)


i would not like to live near a poverty stricken inner city estate, but that is not a fair representation of people who live in council or HA accommodation.

but there's no point adding in reason or logic to a debate like this. why let that get in the way of daily mail-esque hate mongering?! i won't be posting on this thread again as you just can't stop people from making scapegoats in society. why help people when you can stigmatise them and laugh at them?!

Lotus-eater

Benefits_Blagger wrote: »

but would you live with or near the underclass given the choice ? exposing your children your children to risk of recently released paedophiles ? or your own safety by running the risk of being battered by the feral inbred offspring and ending up 6 feet under like gary newlove ?

You are repulsive as well.

olly300

Microstar wrote: »

I certainly don't want to live somewhere with a load of HA or LA tenants, 'works' vans parked up in the driveway (so many residential areas look like small industrial estates), chavs with lowered cars and loud stereos, revving engines etc. Yeah, I'm a nimby and I really like it that way. You have'em in your back yard.

Two of my friends live who live less than a mile from me who live in £1 million and £2 million pound houses respectively have work vans on their roads. This is due to their highly successful neighbours (a gardening company and a building company) not allowing their workers to take their vans home and risk them being broken into.

Benefits_Blagger

melancholly wrote: »

living near a council house or in an area with HAs means that children are at a higher risk from paedophiles?! :rotfl::rotfl:

man, that is the most stupid post on MSE i have ever read. genius! (you are of course aware that the majority of the time horrible things happen to children it's done by friends/family?)

well, where do the authorities put recently released paedophiles ? in £200k new-builds ? hang on a little while it might just happen :eek:

adouglasmhor

brit1234 wrote: »

I visit these new developments all the time in London and the vast majority are ruined by chavs, criminals, drug addicts, council tenant domestics. I couldn't afford to buy one out right and would be forced into the shared ownership. It is simply not worth put all my savings in and having a huge mortgage with all the associated out goings (extra rent, service charge) to live with the same people I deal with every day. The build quality is often appalling.

These are the blocks that are going to loose there value most.

I know a large owner occupied Victorian house in a respectable area that is owned by one of Scotlands most notorious criminal families. Not all owners are good people and I have never met a career ganster who did not put some of his ill gottens into property.

olly300

mitchaa wrote: »

To be fair, if you are homed in a council/HA home you are not doing too well for yourself in life and you are classed as a lower class.

It's not a stereotype, its fact.

It's actually your opinion not a fact.

A few of my friends and even members of my family (not closely related) have managed to play the system. Either their parents lived in council houses or (in the case of my family) they have had jobs in the civil service. Due to this they have managed to get themselves nice council or HA flats. However they are not poor.

Why live in London and pay £500 per month for a room when you can get an entire flat in a prime location for less than that?