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Council moves chavs into £200k new builds
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Ah thanks oldMcDonald.....it was many years ago that I covered 1984 in English (well actually it was 1984!).
Anyway tr3mor, the assumption/generalisation is incorrect, I do have Sky but then I had that when I was with the so called higher classes, I do not drink...at all and I have enough ambition (as has my children) to cover 10 people!
A generalisation is exactly that. However, it has been well documented that social mobility is now significantly lower than it was mere decades ago.
My guess is that this is in no small part due to the benefits culture that previous Labour governments instigated and this one has done nothing to cure.0 -
the decline in the working class 'work ethic' cannot be laid at the door of new labour, no matter what other crimes they are guilty of.
the rot very much started with Thatcher, and her socially divisive politics, which created a selfish and avarice driven society, where short term gratification was the ultimate goal. Other people became a means to an end only, not an end in themselves.It's a health benefit ...0 -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7400424.stmMr Brown began by saying the "immediate priority" was to look after family finances. He promised a banking bill and a £200m fund to buy unsold new homes for allocation as social housing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7399340.stm
Right, so using tax payers' money to prop up the market?Mr Brown said there would be immediate support for the housing market, with the setting up of a £200m fund to buy unsold new homes and rent them to social tenants or make them available on a shared ownership basis. ]Happy chappy0 -
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the decline in the working class 'work ethic' cannot be laid at the door of new labour, no matter what other crimes they are guilty of.
the rot very much started with Thatcher, and her socially divisive politics, which created a selfish and avarice driven society, where short term gratification was the ultimate goal. Other people became a means to an end only, not an end in themselves.
So the miners had a few tough years. Thatcher can't be blamed for 20% of people in Merthyr Tydfil claiming incapacity benefit.0 -
I have no idea how other people managed to get council homes or LA homes.Would you say this example is a majority or minority throughout the UK in repects to people living in council homes?Also, if they weren't poor, why the need to live in council/HA homes?
Why shouldn't they?
Also as I've stated many times in many posts not all council properties are on estates.
In London a council or ex-council flat can be in a converted Victorian House or a 1930's block of flats in a prime location. And a few HA blocks are also in very good locations. If you have a choice of renting one of those for a low price on your own or house-sharing then obviously you are going to rent the one on your own.
The other council tenants I know are neighbours of my friends' and one of my relations who live in Edwardian terrace housing. From what the children in my family say all the adults in those houses work for a living.I'm not cynical I'm realistic
(If a link I give opens pop ups I won't know I don't use windows)0 -
A generalisation is exactly that. However, it has been well documented that social mobility is now significantly lower than it was mere decades ago.
I think it's probably right, what you say.
My Dad was born in 1950, in a working-class family in Liverpool, and no-one in his family had ever stayed at school a minute longer than the minimum leaving age.
My Dad went to a very good grammar school, did A levels, went to university and bar school, and became a barrister. His uni education was free, and he was paid a grant. His bar school fees were paid by the LEA. It was still tough to make it financially, but he could just about do it.
Now? Probably no chance. The grammars have gone, so he'd be stuck in a comprehensive in a poor area. He wouldn't get any funding for uni or bar school....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
In London a council or ex-council flat can be in a converted Victorian House or a 1930's block of flats in a prime location. And a few HA blocks are also in very good locations. If you have a choice of renting one of those for a low price on your own or house-sharing then obviously you are going to rent the one on your own.
In central London ,that's certainly true. I can see a mix of council, ex-council, and always-private places from my window, as I type. All pretty similar....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
The formula for keeping the masses sedated seems to be: Premiership Football on Sky, a plethora of celebrity gossip mags, a shot at instant celebrity courtesy of reality TV or 'talent shows' plus easy availability of booze and cheap processed food with fancy names (Sargasso sea salt and Somerset cider, pan fried potato chips) in the supermarkets.
I don't, respectively, read that, watch that, want to do that, drink that, or eat that (-:...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
neverdespairgirl wrote: »I think it's probably right, what you say.
My Dad was born in 1950, in a working-class family in Liverpool, and no-one in his family had ever stayed at school a minute longer than the minimum leaving age.
My Dad went to a very good grammar school, did A levels, went to university and bar school, and became a barrister. His uni education was free, and he was paid a grant. His bar school fees were paid by the LEA. It was still tough to make it financially, but he could just about do it.
Now? Probably no chance. The grammars have gone, so he'd be stuck in a comprehensive in a poor area. He wouldn't get any funding for uni or bar school.
Spot on.
Now New Labour want half of the country to pay for the privilege of going to a second class university. Only to end up in the same dead end jobs.
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