Council moves chavs into £200k new builds

PasturesNew

cazzie_s wrote: »

Some opinions should be kept to yourselves.

I congratulate those who have done well for themselves but do they have to be high and mighty and ram it down our throats?

I used to do well for myself but now I am on the other side of the fence. I will not go into details, but everyones situations/circumstances are different. We're not all lazy or chavs. We do try hard for our families.

Can some forum users get off their high horses and stop tarring us with the same brush?!

I would agree with this. There is very much an attitude of "I've done well, you must be lazy. Do something about it" And for some, it's just not possible for many reasons, not limited to:
- geography
- age
- education
- access to more education/ability to pay for that/knowing WHAT to do and then having access to that

Over the years I'd have loved to have improved myself a LOT more than I ever did. But the problems seem to be knowing what to study, then being able to pay for it and having access to it.

Even now I've no idea if I am in the right place, or if I can improve, or what to do/study... you can spend hours and hours and hours on the Internet, but you can't get the answers to this question unless you have some what I call "insider information". If you are IN a system in some way, aware of something, then it seems obvious to you that others should use that route ... but for those NOT in any inner circle of knowledge, you just have NO idea.

There's too many organisations etc all set up to help people with XYZ, such that if you're looking for that information or help you can't actually find it.

Any financial help available too, tends to be dependent on claiming benefits. If you aren't claiming them because you don't quite meet the criteria (e.g. in the case of many single people earning £13-15k) then there's no help.

It's not always laziness.

IveSeenTheLight

PasturesNew wrote: »

Iit's just not possible for many reasons, not limited to:
- geography
- age
- education
- access to more education/ability to pay for that/knowing WHAT to do and then having access to that

It's not always laziness.

I can agree that there are a lot of factors which can make it difficult.
Being out of work for over a decade i.e. BennefitsBlagger when you have a degree (should remove education issue) and is not due to illness, strikes as something akin to laziness, otherwise most people wanting to work would have overcome the difficulties within a decade.

PasturesNew

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I can agree that there are a lot of factors which can make it difficult.
Being out of work for over a decade i.e. BennefitsBlagger when you have a degree (should remove education issue) and is not due to illness, strikes as something akin to laziness, otherwise most people wanting to work would have overcome the difficulties within a decade.

Having no job in 10 years might seem lazy, but I won't comment without knowing more about the "why".

I've been doing "any job" to get by for the last 6 or so years and now I've moved to where there are "proper jobs" it's looking quite !!!!!! on my CV to be honest.

There are many reasons why people do or don't do things. Yes, over 10 years, it would indicate laziness, but we don't know for sure (well, I don't as I've not stalked all his posts and compiled them into a 'What You Said' list).

IveSeenTheLight

He indicates quite well in post 75
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=10950799&postcount=75

melancholly

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

He indicates quite well in post 75
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=10950799&postcount=75

well yes, after 10 years of not getting graduate training scheme places, he has to realise that it's not happening that way, and you need to get your foot on the ladder a little lower. plenty of other graduates with lower class degrees realise that and have to take whatever work they can get..... i managed to get temping work serving tea and coffee in offices with a degree. yes i was overqualified, yes it was boring, no it didn't put me on a career path, but i turned up on time and was reliable and most importantly - got paid! it also gave me some work history with the agency that helped get more temping work when i needed it.

IveSeenTheLight

melancholly wrote: »

well yes, after 10 years of not getting graduate training scheme places, he has to realise that it's not happening that way, and you need to get your foot on the ladder a little lower. plenty of other graduates with lower class degrees realise that and have to take whatever work they can get..... i managed to get temping work serving tea and coffee in offices with a degree. yes i was overqualified, yes it was boring, no it didn't put me on a career path, but i turned up on time and was reliable and most importantly - got paid! it also gave me some work history with the agency that helped get more temping work when i needed it.

Its true, you adapt to do whatever you can.

I wonder if what Olly300 says has a ring of truth to it
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=10955377&postcount=80

He was brought up in a house that lived off the state and he has followed in the same footsteps.

I've not taken too much notice of his posts but I find it interesting he is posting on this forum regarding house prices when by his own admission is increasing a debt he is nlikely to ever pay

PasturesNew

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

He indicates quite well in post 75
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=10950799&postcount=75

He is right that employers don't like to take on highly qualified (or experienced) people in a bog standard job. They often won't even interview them. If a job is advertised there are a lot of applicants, many of whom will have already done the bog standard job before; or they will fit into the employer's mental image of what they're looking for. People are suspicious of why somebody with higher skills/experience will be applying and will usually decide that the person will leave shortly, leaving them the problem of readvertising/hiring.

Yes there are lots of graduates about too.

So the question then comes down to whether he can convince an employer running a small business to take him on in a job at a higher-than-lower level even though he has no experience. This would be down to the degree though. With a degree in marketing you could (in some areas) blag your way into quite a few marketing jobs just above the starting point of marketing assistant. But if the degree is in chemisty with a side smattering of pure maths then there's not a lot there that's transferrable. So you can get trampled in the rush for jobs.

Add to that, the longer you are without work the harder it is to start as everybody's suspicious of "what have you been doing recently". I'm getting this now. Agencies don't seem to understand that "Nothing, mainly eating wine gums while watching daytime TV" is what I've been doing.

I am not saying what he is saying is true. Or right. But I have experienced these rejections many times for the reasons he states.

I am not defending him, just taking a critical analysis of what I've got presented here.

Almost makes you wonder what the original thread was about by now doesn't it ..

PasturesNew

I am currently not working (no benefits whatsoever, self-supporting from STR pot) and I won't go temping. I did sign up for a couple of agencies and they fell all over themselves over my CV/skills. They'd never seen anything like me before. e.g. for typing I exceeded their top/record typing speed ever recorded in their office before by about 30wpm. Then they said "we pay £6/hour". So I figure I'll leave those jobs for people that "need" them, I don't.

£6/hour isn't a lot. As a mature adult. In many areas that would hardly cover the rent/basic bills.

It's easy to take an item out of context for comment. Maybe it's geography/opportunity that's the problem.

m00m00

I am highly educated and highly skilled, and I still don't get interviews for 99% of the jobs I've applied for due to me not being a 22 year old graduate with a 2:2 which is about all the agencies are set up to deal with .

having said that, every job I've ever had an interview for, I've been offered.

adouglasmhor

monkeybutler wrote: »

@Benefits blagger

The problem is that your degree, as a third, is pretty much worthless, doesn't matter where it's from. I'm afraid that if those people from "joke universities" with "joke degrees" obtained a 2/2 or higher then their degrees are much better than yours, leading one to wonder who actually has the "joke degree"...

Out of interest what did you study?

Not BB but I find my upper second B.Sc. from Strathclyde is looked on by employers in reverential terms even though it's in a subject as boring and useless to modern employment as mining engineering. My 2:2 in business studies from Paisley tech is what gives me the knowledge to do the job though.

Strangely enough I often fail to mention my Post Graduate Diploma in the history and Manufacture of Historical Arms and Armour for some reason:rotfl: