NHS AfC job matching

slowen

I came out of it ok only because i have been in the NHS as clerical for 3 years as when I started the pay was poor (even now it's below standard) but I picked up £2,000 back pay after tax which is paying for my holiday and spends.

Clerical stafff were the last people to be banded in the trust were I work and the staff that had been there longer got less back pay as their increments would have carried them to the pay scale that newer staff were on.

I am glad the whole situation is over now as we were banded in June and all money that was owed to us was paid in July of this year but we got messed around alot.

Cannot see myself working for the NHS for another year as the wages are poor compared to government jobs of the equivalant grade

Fuzzy_2

Well I was right I've been shafted.

Been placed at top of band 6, losing the 2 potential increments I had above me on the old scale. Other staff on a lower grade have been put on the same band as me, so will soon catch up, absolutely no incentive to progress through the system for me, so much for KSF and removal of glass ceilings. I will appeal but will await for more evidence from colleagues around the country, hard to do when there are only 2 others on my grade doing the same jobs in the one region.

I wish the rest of you luck.

greenstick

Fuzzy

I've also been shafted. Gone from A&C 4 to over the top of the scale for band 3.

I won't feel it until June, which is when my next increment was due so it's head down over winter, boost my skills and away we go.

Shame really 'cos I am really enjoying my job at the moment (1st time in years).

Fuzzy_2

Sorry to hear that Greenstick, like you, many other experienced staff will seriously think about leaving the NHS, it's such a shame. This has taken all the little bit of good will left in the staff away. I work part-time, and there are times when I am asked to come in on my day off, it does involve a bit of juggling with the childcare etc, but I used to do it; not now. I can't remember the last time I took my allocated lunchbreak (eating at the desk or going to meetings), but I will do now.

There are huge inconsistencies around the country, and even within the same hospital. You do have to ask how much this whole thing will cost in the end, not just finiancially but in the loss of key staff, and who really loses out? The Patients.

sw_mina

Well, so far, so crap for me.

All the people doing my job in this trust have been put on Band 4, which is ludicrous as the rest of the country has us on Band 5. My manager has NO idea about the appeals process for this and the AfC people here just refer me back to him, so I'm stuck scratching my head. To make things worse, I've not been paid this month, because the contract I signed when I started 4 weeks ago had the old pay scales on it.

Rrrrrrubish.

Fuzzy_2

Hi sw_mina
If you know that other staff have got a higher band, do you know any of them well enough to ask if they would share their band matching scores and let you have copies of their job des and person specs?

I have been told that if colleagues share info with you, you can use that evidence to help with your appeal, which is how am planning to submit this evidence with the rest of my appeal. If your trust says this is wrong, then they are lying, I've spoken to our staff side rep, and it's quite submissable. The lying is going on at our trust, some staff have been told not to talk to each other about their bands and matching scores, of course which makes it worse, you can quite clearly see staff huddled together having quite heated discussions about A4C! Very distracting for the work of a hospital, I for one have spent more work time than I would like dealing with this, which naturally means my work rate has been affected. As is the case for a vast number of staff.

Dumyat

our trust is no where near banding anyone....havent heard of one single case yet! Having lived through the re-grading process last time round I am not too optimistic. These schemes are always a way to see how little they can pay you..not how much can they pay you!

Iona_Penny

Our trust has announced some of the results for staff but not my department although they are done - apparently we have to wait to be assimilated (sounds like the Borg on startrek)

Anyway its a foregone conclusion I will be band 4 which is equivalent of where I am now although the top of the 4 pay scale is lower; management seem to think it's not losing out!!!

I have a specialised job which took 2 years to train for, with annual external assesment, compulsory 3 year training course and have my work performance/reporting figures constantly monitored. We have 2 partimers who both work mornings; due to their differing job titles one will prob be a 4 and the other a 6 for identical daily roles...do you think one of them is going to be well p****d off ?

Sim_2

What a curious place to find a thread like this ? The big problem with A4C was that middle mangers had sold it to staff a means of obtaining better pay now, whereas the truth is that is unlocks the potential of a smaller number of staff to a better pay in the future. For every short term winner there should be a loser - this seems to be what I am reading. The important thing is that the NHS moves on form the archaic scenario is which it found itself, with dozens of different grades with different term and conditions, to an more equitable situation in the medium term. For everyone paid for their job title (I once had one of the longest job titles in the NHS as a Senior Chief Medical Technical Officer) there are dozens of people who have been paid peanuts for work that props up the Health Service.

I am guessing that my pay will be cut (frozen) - not because I am overpaid, rather the junior staff seconded to assess my role cannot fully understand what I do. When this happens I will be very keen to carry on the process by writing KSF profiles for my staff in my own time at home - can any of you see a problem here ?

Gordon_2

I work in the finance department of a PCT with very close relationships with the HR department. A4C has been nothing short of a disaster, for every pleased person there are a hundred displeased.

I was an A&C4 and have been banded to a Band 3, no immediate effect as I've not been with the PCT long but many in my department are now on "protected pay". There seems to be no national consistency which is what a4c was supposed to be about.

I'm actively looking for a new position, the bureaucratic madness which is the NHS has finally gotten the better of me.