Dog won't go outside!!! (merged threads)

Becles

Kimberley wrote:

Becles, you never ever tell a dog off for weeing inside the house..

When I got my first collie years ago, I was told by a trainer that when you catch them in the act, give them a stern "NO" to show you are displeased and put them outside where you want them to do it to finish off.

Obviously you can't do this if you were not watching and you "find" a wee/poo as it's your fault for not paying attention.

How does not telling them off, make them understand what is acceptable? Just curious and interested in your method.

The dog will soon cotton on to what you require it to do eventually.

With my method, on the puppies I have trained, it's never been "eventually". They've all been house trained within a couple of weeks.

I agree with the crating idea. All my pups have been border collies who are notorious for eating the house through boredom when you leave them. The crate is great for keeping them contained and safe when I have to go out.

Fleago

Sorry Kimberley, but I'm with Becles in that it is acceptable to say a no, or a firm uh uh noise to a dog caught in the act of toileting in the house. I would then quickly scoop up the pup and take it outside to finish, giving lavish praise when it does. But as Becles says, it can only be if you catch them actually doing it.

We've found the easiest method for house training is to take the puppy outside an awful lot and praise lavishly when they do the toilet. We even get up during the night to our puppies to carry them outside. We don't use newspapers or pads and get them housetrained very quickly. That being said, we were very fortunate in that shift patterns allowed one of us to always be around to let the puppy out. Not every one can do this I know.

Crates are such a help though, especially if you have more than one dog and the pup needs a break. Our youngest used to go to his crate for a kip with the cat when he was a puppy

As an aside, one of ours as an adolescent suddenly decided he would make his mark in my mother's hall!! He got a very firm NO roared at him in the middle of the act! He didn't do it again!

Fleago

Kimberley

Whatever suits you two, but i don't believe in telling a pup off for weeing or pooing in the house when it's not an animal instinct to know it's done wrong. If you had a 6 month old baby who took it's own nappy off and did a wee or poo on the floor, would you tell him/her off? No you wouldn't because you should be watching them at all times..

Becles

They soon learn "NO" means stop what you are doing, it's not acceptable.

Dogs live in packs not families like we do, and the pack has rules. There's the top dog, which is the main owner, and the dog needs to learn he's below that person and has to obey their commands. It's up to that person to teach him what is acceptable and what isn't. Traditionally in a pack the top dog would be another dog, who would bite or growl at the pup to teach them they are doing wrong. Obviously you can't bite a puppy, so a stern "NO" is the most effective way of teaching the pup the difference between right and wrong.

I've studied dog phsycology and it was really interesting. Since then all my dogs have been fed after I've eaten, get a "NO" if they push past me through doorways or on the stairs (top dog always leads), and they are never allowed to get on my bed. It just reinforces that you are top dog, and they have to obey your rules.

It's more important to lay down the rules with border collies early on, as they are incredibly intelligent and will control you otherwise.

I would tell a baby off for playing with poo too. They also need to learn acceptable behaviour from an early age.

Kimberley

Dogs live in packs not families like we do

Not domesticated dogs :rolleyes:

Oh well, i'm not going to argue with you, you have your ways and if your way suits you then fine. We are entitled to our own opinions and i respect what you say...

xxxxxx :beer:

pug_in_a_bed

I would say domesticated dogs consider their family their 'pack' so-to-speak, because pecking orders obviously exist. For example, in my parents house, my dad is obviously 'top dog'; there is a very different reaction to him from the dogs than to my mum (who is next down the list). When our old dog died, there was competition and reshuffling over a good number of weeks between the remaining dogs to see who could obtain the place next to 'top dog' dad. Funnliy enough its the tiny russel as opposed to the giant lurcher who is now 2nd in command so to speak.

There was even an attempt to subdue my mum into moving down the list by the lurcher who took to trying to 'herd' her by nipping her on the bottom lol! We soon put a stop to that; they were horribly confused by the dissapearance of the old lady dog though; it was awful sad.

There is a cracknig book called The Dog Listener by Jan Fennell, Monty Roberts which is a really interesting read for anyone who's interested about dogs and their pack instincts:)

This is why we need a pets board!

Kimberley

I already am in contact with a dog listener

pug_in_a_bed

Kimberley wrote:

I already am in contact with a dog listener

ooh I'd be really interested on how you get on! Its a fascinating area

Kimberley

pug_in_a_bed wrote:

ooh I'd be really interested on how you get on! Its a fascinating area

Yes it is i don't know much, i even disagree with him on a few things but i have raised my little dog up on lots of his advice..

gravitytolls

We use the NO word for anti social behaviour; weeing, pooing, nipping, digging up the sofa, kind of stuff.

It works because it's short, clipped and louder than normal speech, not to mention a different tone.

This has the benefit of stopping the dog in it's tracks, an dlooking at you. When you then remove it, or the object it's chewing etc., it realises when you're happy and not.

You are pack leader, your dog wants to please you, because then you will lavish love and grub on it.

Your dog will eventually get the hang, but you may have to be patient; I odn't care what people say, some dogs really are just a bit dim.